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We have something in pencil but I do not have anything concrete to tell people yet. We should be looking at weeks though. For what it is worth I don't think Eureka will worry too much about canni

Not long now! https://fb.watch/5hwxMo6Vg9/  

Not sure re price but I have been bugging them and pointing at other single dose grinders on the market. I am told it will be very competitive with established players.

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13 minutes ago, newdent said:

Do conical burrs perform better for low retention?

I don't think it would be hard to achieve low retention if they actually put some thought into it, when you open these grinders up there's so much dead space in the chambers and lots of areas where grinds can collect. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what the problems are but I guess that it's not something people have worried about in the past?

They've certainly not spent a lot of money redesigning the outside but if if performs well and is cheap then people will live with it I'm sure!

To answer the first question, yes. 

Regarding low retention you'd think so, but even some very expensive grinders still require the use of bellows, so it can't be *that* easy, or at least, it cannot be a free lunch, ie it will come with compromises elsewhere.

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2 minutes ago, spasypaddy said:

is this going to be suitable for all coffee types? would be tempted at the right price to sell my specialita and get this as a replacement.

There is little to believe that it will be any different than the other grinders in the Mignon range when it comes to capability. I'm not sure the dial is very precise if you intend to switch from pourover to espresso frequently, but I think plenty of people modded theirs (eg attached)

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1 minute ago, Roko said:

To answer the first question, yes. 

Regarding low retention you'd think so, but even some very expensive grinders still require the use of bellows, so it can't be *that* easy, or at least, it cannot be a free lunch, ie it will come with compromises elsewhere.

I agree, I think that the grinder would have to be designed to be zero retention from scratch as opposed to trying to frig an existing design to work. I just cleaned out my mignon because it had a bean stuck in it and the first obvious problem area with flat burrs it that the burrs don't match the size of the carriers and therefore there's a ring of grinds that collect in that area. 

I have no knowledge of burr design but it seems intuitive that conical burrs, which are 'pulling' beans through are going to perform better than flat burrs that are mounted horizontally and pressing beans together. with flat burrs, you're relying on the grounds being spun out from between the burrs, which I assume happens in all directions. I'm not saying it can't be done but conical seem like the right tools for the job.

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On 05/05/2021 at 22:34, DavecUK said:

I played around with a prototype last year, you can see the lid in the background on the glass Airscape, cos I was playing around with my Ceado E92 puffer. It was a very pre production unit. Like the ones shown in the Kaffe Netz link. In fact I had the Blue Minima on the bench at the time 😁

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ain this picture, it looks like the prototype is a Mignon Manuale with a swapped base to tilt the Mignon Manuale forward.

Maybe Eureka might also add in a disc under the hopper to feed the beans at a consistent rate for more uniform grinding.

Juat my thought.

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I'm interested to know how they plan on getting the last of the grinds out. Their anti static grid acts as a bung (by design according to @Coff Hey) and mine won't budge without getting some air pushed through, with a camera lens hood in my case. 

I really hope they've gone through the effort of designing an actual system instead of just tilting a mignon. The fact that they've added a hopper implies they don't expect you to use bellows imo.

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On 06/05/2021 at 16:05, Roko said:

That's a good point, no timer controls. But I doubt that they'll sell it for £250 and call it a 'tilted Manuale'. Now, if they did sell it for £250 (and they had stock) I reckon it would sell pretty well. If it starts costing on par with the Niche or above, it better have 65mm burrs somehow crammed in there, and there better be no bellows or weird shenanigans to perform.

It's branded under the ORO series. I hope it's 65mm.

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Looks nice. I almost bought a XL yesterday.

Glad I didn’t. This is more what I am looking for.

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10 hours ago, Kimmo said:

Looks nice. I almost bought a XL yesterday.

Glad I didn’t. This is more what I am looking for.

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Well, style-wise it definitely borrows something from the Niche. Nothing not to like about white and wood - I do wish the front was chrome though, rather than black.

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10 hours ago, Kimmo said:

Looks nice. I almost bought a XL yesterday.

Glad I didn’t. This is more what I am looking for.

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Interesting! Got a link?

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1 hour ago, newdent said:

Interesting! Got a link?

This picture comes from the German forum that was linked earlier on this thread.

I have tried to find it online but no luck.

I might take trip in to the City and have a chat at my local Eureka retailer and check out what they know.

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1 hour ago, Roko said:

Well, style-wise it definitely borrows something from the Niche. Nothing not to like about white and wood - I do wish the front was chrome though, rather than black.

Yeah, it looks like a square Niche.

I have been looking for a flat burr grinder to have on the side of my Niche.

So I think this will be good for me. Size wise it will fit in the space I have.

 

 

 

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I think it's time to put a point on a nonsense that appears in the last time. "Single Dose" and "Hopper" can not go together. It's nonsense and obvious stupidity.

For "Single Dose" you do not need Hopper. It is enough to put the plate and prevent the "popcorn" effect.

So: "Single Dose with Hopper" is an unintelligent name for something that does not exist.

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I really want to get excited by this, if only because it marks a time when the old-school start to think about moving with the times.  I'm hoping they have done a bit more than adjust the stand so it leans forward, and bump the price.  That they sent out to @DavecUKto get feedback is a good sign. I am hoping there are more changes I'm overlooking. Or maybe I'm overthinking it all .

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I wonder how much internally has been changed......? From appearances, could we not just fashion a base that tilts a standard mignon to achieve similar. It does look ever so slightly different in terms of its angles/dimensions but I’d imagine someone will come along with a 3D printed base that gets you most of the way there....

still, very interested if there are changes as personally I like the look of this much more than the niche

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From the photos, I just cannot imagine it's anything more than a tilted mignon...

To stop retention without bellows, they would have had to of got rid of their anti static grid, which means clumping and static returns. How is the clumpy, static grounds going to perform aiming into that dosing cup?

The hopper looks oddly proportioned to my eye. 

The thing just screams out botch to me. If a customer modded their mignon like this, I'd say kudos but I expect more effort to go into a single doser from the manufacturer! I hope I'm proven wrong though!

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder of course but to me this is far more appealing than the Solo or Niche from an aesthetic perspective. We shall have to wait and see some independent reviews but given this grinder has been in development for well over a year I suspect it is far from a 'botch'.

Clearly it has strong DNA from other Mignon grinders but that would seem a smart move to me. Why do a whole lot more R&D and spend on tooling when you have a platform ripe for adapting. Even the lowest spec Mignons are very competitive re retention so I am sure some tweaks will bring it inline with the best single dosers already on the market. I suspect these sensible design choices will help it to be competitively priced 👍

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