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5 minutes ago, Dallah said:

Seems BB have changed their mind about taking funds upon pre-order.

I have only ever pre-ordered my latest machine from Bella Barista, and that was back in July 2020. My card was charged straight away and the machine was delivered promptly as soon as they had stock of them.

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Coffee Italia offered an "incentive" of 2.5% off the retail price iirc if you paid via "bacs/money-transfer/bank"....whilst this looked good in reality it was their way of making sure you couldn't cla

It does mean taking the base off, but it's minimal thereafter. See below. I do it on all my electricals because I'm a touch OCD!    

FYI on all my equipment I loosen the mains cable clamp, insert excess cable into the body and re-clamp. Can do it on the Mignon as well as nearly any machine or grinder to be honest! If you want video

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2 minutes ago, MediumRoastSteam said:

I have only ever pre-ordered my latest machine from Bella Barista, and that was back in July 2020. My card was charged straight away and the machine was delivered promptly as soon as they had stock of them.

@MediumRoastSteam I have no problem

with BB charging my card upon placing the pre-order. I expected they would and I trust them. It’s just at odds with @Geezercdg  said happened with his pre-order. 

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Have any of you got news about the relative merits or otherwise of the XL over the lesser Mignons? Lower retention, better grind uniformity, general quality in the cup? Also, I am mainly interested in filter and wondered if the XL aims to focus its quality at the expresso end of the grind scale? Would love to hear more about it and there is hardly any customer feedback or reviews online. 

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It's definitely focussed on grinding for espresso. Sure you could open up the burrs wide enough to grind for brewed but given it has a portafilter holder, the grind on switch is meant to be bumped with a portafilter along with the fact that the control screen has one cup and two cup dosing options as the graphics it's very obvious that this grinder is b3ing pitched at espresso. 

I have no experience of a Mignon so can't compare it for you. What I can say is it is as fast as my last ex-commercial grinder, the grounds are nice and fluffy, the grounds come in a well defined stream into a portafilter not sprayed over the work surface, the burrs come pretty decently aligned, despite the big burrs it's still the same small Mignon casing (just taller but still fits under standard cupboards) and the espresso brewed up in my MaraX are hitting most, if not all of the tasting notes of the 18 different SO coffees (all lighter roasts) I have run through it so far. My spouse is happy with the look & size of the grinder which was not the case with the ex-commercial I previously had. I had had it in bits to check the alignment of the burrs and to ever so slightly shim the lower burr in one place. The build quality is impressive. My only whinge is that the top plate of the casing is chromed plastic instead of metal like the rest of the casing. Minor moan. All in all I'm a very satisfied customer. 

It is very intuitive to use. I have yet to feel the need to open the manual. Finally I'm happy it's built in Italy instead of China. I feel it's important knowing that the people who built the grinder were paid a decent livable wage as opposed to working under the generally poor working conditions imposed upon factory workers in China. 

 

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Great to have some recent insights on the XL: thank you. On the topic of Brew v Espresso usage of this grinder, interestingly, the Eureka Mignon Brew Pro is specifically touted as a brew focused grinder complete with a set of brew focused burrs (according to Eureka). However, the touch screen controls are the same as all the other espresso focused Mignons and was clearly developed for espresso dosing. It also features the same portafilter push switch and the same hopper arrangement rather than a bespoke single dose solution. I bought the Crono variant, also supposedly a brew focused grinder, hoping that the timer would allow me to skip the ‘switch off’ step whilst avoiding costly and unnecessary (for single dosers) touch screen control. Sadly, the 50 mm burrs won’t grind 30 grams in the maximum timed dose so I had to press it twice anyway. I also grind light roasted single origin coffees. I imaging the 65 mm burrs in the XL would at least speed up the grind, but it would only be worth the switch to the XL if the bigger burrs also delivered a significantly more consistent grind particle size and a better tasking brew. The plastic top plate is disappointing, especially given the cost. Have you found the retention to be as good as advertised?

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@Winnietheschmoo I have no way to really measure the retention as I use the grinder as designed which is as an on demand grinder with a full hopper. There is very little space inside the grind chamber for grinds to hide though. The sweep arms are extremely thin and the space between them and the walls of the chamber is thinner still. 
 

Perhaps some clever clogs here can come up with a way to figure out retention. I know I could always empty out the grinder and then single dose but that isn’t how the grinder was designed and therefore retention measured that way would be misleading in my opinion. 

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Great info here, as someone looking to upgrade my Comandante hand grinder there is a lot of useful points made.  I was curious as to the difference between the XL and the Mignon, looks to be just the burr size :)

Cheers, Andy

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@Andyz Differences as I understand them are larger burrs, uprated motor, increased sound insulation and redesigned lower burr carrier with far slimmer sweeper arms to help decrease grind retention and finally an improved adjustment knob. Oh and it is about 3cm taller as well. 

As an owner of one I find it an excellent grinder. It produces grinds that need minimal faffing with once in the portafilter. After running 4kg through mine I have been able to dispense with WDT and simply bump the portafilter to even out the distribution and tamp. I always use a naked portafilter and the pours have all been good single streams without channelling or spritzing. It’s is very quiet and you can easily have a conversation while it is grinding. I run it as an on demand and it is very consistent (about +/- 0.1g) between grinds. All in all a great grinder. 

Full disclosure: I will be selling my Mignon XL soon as I am upgrading to a Lagom P-64. So bear that in mind when reading the above. 😁

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18 minutes ago, Dallah said:

I will be selling my Mignon XL soon as I am upgrading to a Lagom P-64.

Ha! I was going to ask you about the reason you are selling your Mignon XL! GLWTS, and have fun with the Lagom! 

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Previous: Gaggia Classic | Eureka Mignon | Rocket Cellini Evo | Profitec 700 | Profitec T-64 | Gene Cafe CBR-101 | Kinu M68 | Feldgrind 2 | La Pavoni Europiccola 2012

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19 minutes ago, Dallah said:

@Andyz Differences as I understand them are larger burrs, uprated motor, increased sound insulation and redesigned lower burr carrier with far slimmer sweeper arms to help decrease grind retention and finally an improved adjustment knob. Oh and it is about 3cm taller as well. 

As an owner of one I find it an excellent grinder. It produces grinds that need minimal faffing with once in the portafilter. After running 4kg through mine I have been able to dispense with WDT and simply bump the portafilter to even out the distribution and tamp. I always use a naked portafilter and the pours have all been good single streams without channelling or spritzing. It’s is very quiet and you can easily have a conversation while it is grinding. I run it as an on demand and it is very consistent (about +/- 0.1g) between grinds. All in all a great grinder. 

Full disclosure: I will be selling my Mignon XL soon as I am upgrading to a Lagom P-64. So bear that in mind when reading the above. 😁

"I love it so much I'm getting rid of it!"

Another relevant observation is the design of the grind adjustment wheel - it is bigger with graduations down the side to more finely adjust grind. Note that some still feel the need to mod this to a bigger wheel - I have the Specialita and the small diameter adjustment wheel is my only gripe.

The Specialita is a good grinder and seems to be the go-to home prosumer model, up to you as to whether or not you see value between that and the XL - common wisdom is that bigger is better with respect to burrs but I don't know how much additional cost is justified for more burr or a bigger adjustment wheel. Check the Eureka section of the Grinder forum @Coff Hey has done some cool videos taking apart Eureka grinders to show you some internal differences - I remember reading a comment alluding to better machining in the Specialita, not sure if that holds true into the XL or it is just "bigger is better".

The only other thing to throw in there is that these grinders are great if you use them as intended - on demand dosing from a filled hopper. If you want to single dose, explore the Niche Zero or Solo. Or be a complete baller and buy an endgame grinder like @Dallah!

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15 minutes ago, Kjk said:

I love it so much I'm getting rid of it!

@Kjk I know it makes me look like a complete hypocrite but I came into an unexpected windfall. Without that bonus  I would not be changing grinders as the chromed Mignon XL looks the dog’s danglies and produces fantastic results in such a small case. I was never going to go for the Niche Zero as my missus veto’ed it on appearance. But my luck is in. Whether the Lagom will actually make a difference I can taste is a rather expensive gamble on my part. Fingers and toes crossed that it is worth it. 

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34 minutes ago, Dallah said:

@Kjk I know it makes me look like a complete hypocrite but I came into an unexpected windfall. Without that bonus  I would not be changing grinders as the chromed Mignon XL looks the dog’s danglies and produces fantastic results in such a small case. I was never going to go for the Niche Zero as my missus veto’ed it on appearance. But my luck is in. Whether the Lagom will actually make a difference I can taste is a rather expensive gamble on my part. Fingers and toes crossed that it is worth it. 

No judgement, I’m waiting on a Niche but luckily have arranged for a new home for the Specialita otherwise I’d be in the same boat as you. It is all reminiscent of high school dating though “all loves before were false, but this is true, enduring love”!

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3 hours ago, Dallah said:

Full disclosure: I will be selling my Mignon XL soon as I am upgrading to a Lagom P-64. So bear that in mind when reading the above. 😁

Haha yes I did happen to see the thread in the valuation section.  Thanks so much for confirming the differences, really does sound like a great grinder.  I need to decide whether I purchase something on demand or single dosing..... decisions, decisions, decisions 👍

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Speaking of decisions- I realise that as a daily filter coffee drinker with only occasional hankerings to brew an espresso, I am on the margins when talking about these grinders, but...would you go as far as to say that, the margin difference between these grinders is more pronounced when they are grinding for espresso rather than filter? And if so, should one worry less about the difference between say, the XL and a standard mignon for filter purposes? Without tasting the difference, it’s hard to know if the extra cost is worth it. The Solo looks intriguing too, and the single dosing setup suits filter very well. And of course the Lagom is beautiful, who wouldn’t want one. Any immediate instincts on what I should opt for between XL, a lesser Mignon, or a Solo? And by the way, what do you expect a Lagom to cost in GBP after shipping and taxes? 

Any thoughts would be very helpful

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@Winnietheschmoo will you only be drinking filter coffee? Or do you have a need for espresso as well?  Personally I have two hand grinders (both from MBK) for filter. One for at work and one for at home. I can grind even the lightest roasted wild Ethiopian beans in about a minute. Personally I just don’t see the need for an electric grinder for filter  But that is just me. 

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This grinder is becoming more and more appealing to me. Fancied a Niche but the waiting game to race for an order and then wait longer for delivery puts me off. Then there are the looks which I cant make my mind up on. The XL looks great and has the same finish all over vs the Specialita (different colour base) and is actually more compact than a niche other than the additional height for the hopper but still fits under kitchen units.

Shame yours is chrome Dallah as I fancy a matte black one.

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3 hours ago, P1Fanatic said:

Shame yours is chrome Dallah as I fancy a matte black one.

@P1Fanatic don’t underestimate the allure of the chromed finish. It looks the part next to a shiny stainless steel espresso machine. 😄

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17 minutes ago, Dallah said:

@P1Fanatic don’t underestimate the allure of the chromed finish. It looks the part next to a shiny stainless steel espresso machine. 😄

Haha nice try. I prefer Darth Vader to Captain Phasma / Cylons 😆

Plus it will be going next to an Apparamento Serie Nera with the black sides.

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I have the grinder on a smart plug. Only so I could say “Turn on Capt Phasma” and the obverse. 🤣🤣🤣

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