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I binned my telly years ago as well. I take great pleasure in chucking the threatening TV Licensing letters on my coal fire. The only thing I do watch is Netflix on my laptop.

My work mate often asks '..have you seen so and so on the news, it really wound me up?' Nope, don't have a telly.. '..oh and there was this and that, but you don't have a telly do you...' Nope.. '..don't you miss it?' Miss what? All the crap that keeps getting regurgitated or Coronation Farm or whatever it's called? Chewing gum for the eyes.. 

Most living rooms are all centred around the telly. Mine's now centred around my hearth. One thing I used to do if I was feeling depressed was to write down whatever was troubling me, then screw it up and throw it on the fire. Watching it burn away.. More of a symbolic thing I guess. Was on antidepressants many years ago when I was pretty down and helped me cope through some bad crap that, well makes you wonder if life is worth living. Friends and family helped pull me through (as well as the Citalopram, which turned me into a zombie..) Many years later and I still get depressed, and sometimes it just comes on for no reason but my partner can tell and she tells me she's noticed, which does help as she's been there herself. I don't make excuses for it, or try to hide it. There's nothing to be ashamed about.

There are plenty of us around that have different circumstances that cause depression, but are joined and share the feelings it brings. Some worse than others, some far far worse but at least we can relate in some small way. I've always thought that those who have never properly experienced it can't really understand. Especially those who say stupid things like 'snap out of it', or 'pull yourself together.' They take the huff with a 'I'm only trying to help..' when you tell them to leave you alone or just plainly F-Off...!

Anyway, I hope you start to come round soon. And remember, your're not alone.

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3 hours ago, Rhys said:

....Was on antidepressants many years ago when I was pretty down and helped me cope through some bad crap that, well makes you wonder if life is worth living. Friends and family helped pull me through (as well as the Citalopram, which turned me into a zombie....

Seroxat was my doctors weapon of choice 😠 ...was on them for far too long...."turned me into a zombie" is the exact turn of phrase i use to explain to peeps...i did some things i wasn't proud of whilst taking those; horrible, horrible things. Ironic thing is when i asked to be weaned off of them (non-addictive according to the Dr.) the arsehole increased the dose each time !! (3 times in total)

“Rincewind wasn't used to people being pleased to see him. It was unnatural, and boded no good. These people were not only cheering, they were throwing flowers and hats. The hats were made out of stone, but the thought was there.”

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Really care about this community so I felt compelled to dip back in to show my support.

for those struggling with antidepressants, in my experience (as a senior nurse in specialist mental health services), it’s often about finding one that suits you, some work better than others for individuals. They can be highly effective at the right dose and one that suits you. I always encourage patients to discuss this with their prescriber.

Good info here about recent studies:

https://www.nhs.uk/news/medication/big-new-study-confirms-antidepressants-work-better-placebo/


on a personal note, I’ve been taking sertraline for the last year for anxiety. I’m on the lowest dose but it’s been life changing. I hadn’t realised how pervasive it had been. I’ve been lucky not to experience any unwanted side effects and no ‘zombification’ that is often experienced.

 

sending much love to everyone x

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Very true took 7 weeks to realise 40 mg morn 40 mg. Evening. Been on Zoplicone didn't work switched to Amitriplyne, then sleep came.  Luckily side wasn't to bad. I could go on and on. 👍 But  saw the the signs. But I'm still here. So must be stronger than I think.

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Without wanting to get too deep into the TV thing. I'm not sure whether I'd classify all of the mentioned shows as 'bullying' per se but I think the biggest damage they do is making the world so much more superficial. I particularly think about my young children and the fact they're growing up in a world that's constantly 'judging' them'. That's evident with all the tv shows mentioned. I have a particular dislike for shows with a panel of 'judges' that often are nowhere near qualified to judge anyone. This is putting pressure on young people to be a certain thing or look a certain way. I don't think it's helpful. People should just be themselves.

Anyway, I do think it's great that so much of the mental health taboo has been removed. People are much more open to talking about these issues. I certainly see it as a sign of strength to discuss the challenges one faces. Plenty of that strength displayed on this thread. 

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On 18/10/2020 at 14:24, Spazbarista said:

It isn't helped when a large chunk of popular television culture is predicated on bullying and humiliating people. 

How tragic that society has become almost anaesthetised to the impact of our actions on the individual. We undoubtedly live through a fake lens, one in which it's increasingly easy to become judgemental, unkind and at times - target individuals for no justifiable reason. In the old days people gossiped and bitched over a fence and it stayed largely at the gate. Today, it's in websites, messages, group text, social media and it takes one person to start rolling that ball. And yep, you are right - we laugh at people, rather than at them.

I could liken it to road rage. Many years ago, I wrote an article on how easy it is to feel safe in the comfort of a vehicle, since it afforded a false security. And yet, you can't control the knock on effect outside the car and that security was flawed logic, that could easily result in fatal outcomes. This was around the time that guy was murdered on the motorway, following a road rage incident.

The internet does not make our actions okay. It's no more acceptable to be unkind, racist or bigoted than it is in the street. The amount of times I read people writing things such as 'I shouldn't post this', or 'hey look at this' and then posting it anyway. Or asking people if they think someone is such and such, yet not actually saying themselves. 

Ultimately, like all bullies - we must  feel sorry for anyone that has so much fear and insecurity to make them ridicule, humiliate or mock, but for the people at the receiving end of it - it can have a life long impact. 

And that's why it's important to always listen to someone that says that they have been bullied - because it's a hard thing to admit and always after a long period of mind scrabble.  And when they get there, being dismissed can be catastrophic. It's not something I would ever want on my conscience.

 

 

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Much damage is done by pretending life is or should be a bed of roses with no threat or external ills to encounter and that it requires little effort or virtue to succeed in.

It's quite the opposite I feel. Life is hard. Damn hard at times and one could argue that's how it should be. A life without some challenge is hardly worthy surely?

I am told by some friends that this opinion is callous and uncaring and that it should not be spoken lest somebody heard it and thinks themselves as worthless.

I think the opposite is true. By being honest with my opinion that life itself is a daily challenge no matter what you do in that day, you are telling others who are struggling that they are not alone in Thier toils and that it's ok to feel burden. Everyone has a cross too bear. Everyone's cross is intolerable to some degree.

Its ok to feel down, burdened by the weight of life. Its ok to feel you are not somehow up to the task. The truth is, nobody really is up to it. We are all struggling along in our own way, doing our best to drag our cross behind us and enjoying the brief respite we may get along the way.

I despise the modern push for "positive mental health" as if being balanced or even negative is somehow incompatible to the human experience. We are creatures of emotion. We go up, we go down, we ebb and flow. Without the valleys, you can't have the mountains.

I like the Deserata. It says it as it is. Life is tough, don't despair, enjoy what you can but not at any cost. Be alive, be human.

 

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32 minutes ago, Blue_Cafe said:

I despise the modern push for "positive mental health" as if being balanced or even negative is somehow incompatible to the human experience. We are creatures of emotion. We go up, we go down, we ebb and flow. Without the valleys, you can't have the mountains.

Judging by how you finished that sentence, probably because you don't understand it. Or at least you've heard about it from somebody who doesn't understand it. As with all things in marketing it's probably been dumbed down to the point the message is lost and social media has probably reduced things to three words or less.

Positive mental health is a healthy regard for emotional experience. It is about an awareness and acceptance across the spectrum, not only an acceptance of emotions perceived as positive. As any good mental health professional will tell you anger, sadness, envy have their place, if nothing else they are motivators to change. Without accepting these emotions you can't improve your life in whatever area they relate to because you can't identify a problem or you ignore it.

An example of negative mental health would be repressing emotion e.g sadness, anger, failing to confront issues, stagnation and the general frustration and dissatisfaction that logically follows.

A nice catchy "stay happy" message probably misses the point. You don't ignore negative emotions but move past them by identifying where they come from and making appropriate changes. Don't dwell and fail to act. IOW take positive action. Or just "stay positive".

On the flip side of that you've got the effective message to seek help for actual conditions like depression or anxiety which are not necessarily related to negative emotions, in fact they can be absent altogether, and might require therapy or treatment with various classes of drugs, or both.  

 

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Just a little thanks for a Biking family in Bury Focus Bike training, was doing my DAS with them and understand my situation.

 

Mental Health is evil, because what it actually does  to people

 

Jony

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2 minutes ago, Jony said:

Just a little thanks for a Biking family in Bury Focus Bike training, was doing my DAS with them and understand my situation.

 

Mental Health is evil, because what it actually does  to people

So if someone knows them give them a shout out.

 

Jony

Some people just don't get it.

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5 hours ago, Rob1 said:

Judging by how you finished that sentence, probably because you don't understand it. Or at least you've heard about it from somebody who doesn't understand it. As with all things in marketing it's probably been dumbed down to the point the message is lost and social media has probably reduced things to three words or less.

Positive mental health is a healthy regard for emotional experience. It is about an awareness and acceptance across the spectrum, not only an acceptance of emotions perceived as positive. As any good mental health professional will tell you anger, sadness, envy have their place, if nothing else they are motivators to change. Without accepting these emotions you can't improve your life in whatever area they relate to because you can't identify a problem or you ignore it.

An example of negative mental health would be repressing emotion e.g sadness, anger, failing to confront issues, stagnation and the general frustration and dissatisfaction that logically follows.

A nice catchy "stay happy" message probably misses the point. You don't ignore negative emotions but move past them by identifying where they come from and making appropriate changes. Don't dwell and fail to act. IOW take positive action. Or just "stay positive".

On the flip side of that you've got the effective message to seek help for actual conditions like depression or anxiety which are not necessarily related to negative emotions, in fact they can be absent altogether, and might require therapy or treatment with various classes of drugs, or both.  

 

I understand it perfectly.

I'm not talking about a positive approach to mental health. I'm talking about mental health supposedly being only about the positive.

 

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2 minutes ago, Blue_Cafe said:

Do you mean the symptoms here Jony?

It's not  even about symptoms, it  generally what it makes you think is right, it affects people different ways.

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1 hour ago, Jony said:

It's not  even about symptoms, it  generally what it makes you think is right, it affects people different ways.

I'm not quite sure I am understanding your point?

"It" being mental health?

Mental health is just the container I think.

Are you talking about a particular affliction like depression?

Mental health and physical health are two sides of the same coin which is ourselves as a physical entity in this odd universe.

Nobody's physical health is a constant, just the same as their mental health isn't either. It ebbs and flows. 

Not sure I agree that anything specific to either should be considered evil. Evil is an intent in my opinion and you as an entity and your make up just "is". You are who you are. See yourself for what you are and for what you are not and be the best "you" you can be.

For some people, simply waking up in the morning is a daily victory. 

 

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Drawing attention to mental health problems is important. However, the forum is not the place to discuss complex issues where comment, however well meaning, might cause upset especially to anyone who might be currently experiencing problems. 

Consequently, thread is closed. 

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