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27 minutes ago, shiner25 said:

Man I wish i had seen this earlier.

Request LELIT get rid of the dumb 57mm portafilter on the Anna and Grace models.

There's no need for a 57mm. I honest to God think they did this on purpose just to piss people off. 

 

if memory doesn't fail me, Ascaso, with the Ascaso Dream - a very popular machine mind you, did the same a while ago. It might be that Lelit and Ascaso even share the same group. Maybe there's a reason behind it (market share maybe?), who knows.

You posted twice on this forum thus far. On both occasions on the rather offensive, derogatory side towards Lelit on the very same topic. 

The 57mm is not my preferred choice either, and would definitely warn prospective buyers in case they overlooked it. However, you can still get accessories, baskets, spares, etc from Ascaso and Lelit. IMS does aftermarket baskets. Maybe some people don't mind and will be happy with the out-of-the box accessories for years to come.

Ultimately, you have a choice: If you are not a fan, just don't buy it.  

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2 hours ago, shiner25 said:

Man I wish i had seen this earlier.

Request LELIT get rid of the dumb 57mm portafilter on the Anna and Grace models.

There's no need for a 57mm. I honest to God think they did this on purpose just to piss people off. 

 

Well sadly I had to cancel it, 5 days before I flew out Italian rules changed meaning we had to have a covid -ve test within 72 hours of arrival. No UK test service could guarantee results back that fast and the cost was almost 2.5 times the cost of the ticket. Without a certificate I could travel but if tested at Milan airport, if I was positive or got a false positive, I would immediately be escorted to a special quarantine hotel for 2 weeks at my expense. Then of course the cost of a new single ticket back, 1 day before travel the UK air corridor closed and an Italy trip would have also meant 14 days isolation on return...

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I don’t like – Sticks and Stones, beans that are sour, green…or rancid (horrible). Quakers hide until you roast them, then they scream out at you in the cooling tray, pick em out and flick them in the bin.. Lifes too short for bad coffee!

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I will go once this whole Covid mess is behind us and our governments have managed to find a way to successfully live with the Virus. At least one of my software ideas is being implemented in MaraX, but I have to test it first.

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I don’t like – Sticks and Stones, beans that are sour, green…or rancid (horrible). Quakers hide until you roast them, then they scream out at you in the cooling tray, pick em out and flick them in the bin.. Lifes too short for bad coffee!

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1 hour ago, DavecUK said:

Well sadly I had to cancel it, 5 days before I flew out Italian rules changed meaning we had to have a covid -ve test within 72 hours of arrival. No UK test service could guarantee results back that fast and the cost was almost 2.5 times the cost of the ticket. Without a certificate I could travel but if tested at Milan airport, if I was positive or got a false positive, I would immediately be escorted to a special quarantine hotel for 2 weeks at my expense. Then of course the cost of a new single ticket back, 1 day before travel the UK air corridor closed and an Italy trip would have also meant 14 days isolation on return...

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Ah that's too bad. Yeah, I here things in the UK have got really bad. I'm from there but now in Canada. Well, if you ever get over there it would be nice to suggest to them to swap out those 57mm portafilters for 58. it's a very odd choice for them and leads me to believe they did it specifically to get folks to upgrade as their higher models like the victoria, elizabeth and mara have 58mm, so if they thought 57mm was fine they would have followed suit. I think they know and are playing the upgrade game, giving people less under $1000. Trouble is a company like Gaggia is offering 58mm on their classic. For that I applaud them even if I wouldn't buy one. 

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3 minutes ago, shiner25 said:

Ah that's too bad. Yeah, I here things in the UK have got really bad. I'm from there but now in Canada. Well, if you ever get over there it would be nice to suggest to them to swap out those 57mm portafilters for 58. it's a very odd choice for them and leads me to believe they did it specifically to get folks to upgrade as their higher models like the victoria, elizabeth and mara have 58mm, so if they thought 57mm was fine they would have followed suit. I think they know and are playing the upgrade game, giving people less under $1000. Trouble is a company like Gaggia is offering 58mm on their classic. For that I applaud them even if I wouldn't buy one. 

How would a pf size get people to upgrade , they sit there thinking they need the extra 1mm to get better coffee .

people upgrade for functions  and perceived cup differences , not pf size .

while the size is a strange choice , your emotive reaction to it is a little overkill to be honest .

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2 minutes ago, Mrboots2u said:

How would a pf size get people to upgrade , they sit there thinking they need the extra 1mm to get better coffee .

people upgrade for functions  and perceived cup differences , not pf size .

while the size is a strange choice , your emotive reaction to it is a little overkill to be honest .

What i mean is 58mm is commercial. Lelit already knows this that's why their Victoria, Elizabeth and Mara ( their most expensive units ) are rocking the 58mm.  While their lower end units aren't.

They know that it's harder to get accessories and could be more costly. I've already seen folks searching for accessories for the 57mm

Yes, the difference in taste won't be a factor but people want EASE of use and they don't want to have to upgrade later unless they need to. 

Put in a 58 like the higher models, like most people are doing, like gaggia has done on their classic and stop messing with people. Pretty simple. Obviously someone has a different agenda at Lelit or didn't think it through. I know if I was in charge of that company i would have fired someone for that decision. 

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9 minutes ago, shiner25 said:

Ah that's too bad. Yeah, I here things in the UK have got really bad. I'm from there but now in Canada. Well, if you ever get over there it would be nice to suggest to them to swap out those 57mm portafilters for 58. it's a very odd choice for them and leads me to believe they did it specifically to get folks to upgrade as their higher models like the victoria, elizabeth and mara have 58mm, so if they thought 57mm was fine they would have followed suit. I think they know and are playing the upgrade game, giving people less under $1000. Trouble is a company like Gaggia is offering 58mm on their classic. For that I applaud them even if I wouldn't buy one. 

I think for me there were more fundamental discussions to have with the owner of the company about the technical direction. The 57/58 issue is a bit of a red herring to be honest, there are bigger games afoot.

You are thinking about the now and how you would fix "what is"...I'm  looking at the future, so the next "what is", doesn't need fixing.

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I don’t like – Sticks and Stones, beans that are sour, green…or rancid (horrible). Quakers hide until you roast them, then they scream out at you in the cooling tray, pick em out and flick them in the bin.. Lifes too short for bad coffee!

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1 minute ago, DavecUK said:

I think for me there were more fundamental discussions to have with the owner of the company about the technical direction. The 57/58 issue is a bit of a red herring to be honest, there are bigger games afoot.

You may be right Dave. What do you mean by red herring? And what bigger games are afoot?

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13 minutes ago, shiner25 said:

Trouble is a company like Gaggia is offering 58mm on their classic. For that I applaud them even if I wouldn't buy one.

While Gaggia (and Rancilo) use 58mm, they don't put a PID in the Classic or Silvia (which IMO is more important than the size of the basket). This makes sure we never run out or something to complain about. 🙂

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1 minute ago, Doram said:

While Gaggia (and Rancilo) use 58mm, they don't put a PID in the Classic or Silvia (which IMO is more important than the size of the basket). This makes sure we never run out or something to complain about. 🙂

LOL, yes you are right my friend.

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While Gaggia (and Rancilo) use 58mm, they don't put a PID in the Classic or Silvia (which IMO is more important than the size of the basket). This makes sure we never run out or something to complain about. [emoji846]
I was thinking about this, why didn't Rancilio put a PID on their V6, it would have been a crazy sale I think. But then I thought they wanted to kill two birds with a stone and offering a high-end DB machine with PID and catching up with the market instead of just a single boiler one. And as the Silvia is the only domestic machine they produce then we have the Pro.

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4 minutes ago, profesor_historia said:

I was thinking about this, why didn't Rancilio put a PID on their V6, it would have been a crazy sale I think. But then I thought they wanted to kill two birds with a stone and offering a high-end DB machine with PID and catching up with the market instead of just a single boiler one. And as the Silvia is the only domestic machine they produce then we have the Pro.

I ask myself the same question, and can't think of a good reason.

Silvia Pro is more than double the price of Silvia and a completely different beast, so I don't think no PID on Silvia is meant to protect the Pro (they didn't bother with a PID long before the Pro). It is very strange they left the market to the likes of Auber, mecoffee and DIY and not done it themselves.

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1 hour ago, shiner25 said:

You may be right Dave. What do you mean by red herring? And what bigger games are afoot?

As it's probably a year away, can't really divulge...

I don’t like – Sticks and Stones, beans that are sour, green…or rancid (horrible). Quakers hide until you roast them, then they scream out at you in the cooling tray, pick em out and flick them in the bin.. Lifes too short for bad coffee!

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On 10/09/2020 at 17:13, Rob1 said:

I know the Xenia has a heated group, same for the Sage DB.

We don't use the the cartridges for heating the group of the Xenia. We use them 'only' to reduce the heat up time (10-14 minutes).

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Suggestion to speed up Elizabeth’s (and maybe also Bianca’s) initial warm up:

The machine overshoots the brew boiler to 130C and cools down naturally to the set temperature. The climb down process takes about 8 minutes or so. If both boiler heating elements are on (brew and steam) the current is alternated. As both boilers are on, this adds an extra 4 minutes to the process as both heating elements need energy supplied right from the start. 

My suggestion is to turn the steam boiler heating element on during the climb down process, thus only providing current to the brew boiler initially and, once it no longer needs it during the climbdown phase, supply the energy to the steam boiler. This should reduce the warm up phase by approx. 4 minutes. This is irrelevant when the machine is in Eco mode (I.e.: brew boiler on only).
 

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I’m not a Lelit owner, but the Bianca was recently in the running when I bought a machine, tbh I didn’t buy it because it was noisier, had rotary valves and was more lightly built than the ECM I did buy, maybe I was wrong but time well tell. However, what I am surprised hasn’t appeared is a more refined metered water flow system similar to, but more simple than, the Vesuvius, they’ve gone halfway with the paddle, but automating that to be completely repeatable at a sub £2.5k price would be a USP it’d be hard to ignore.

Is it also time the industry moved away from spade terminals etc? The automotive, truck and plant industries only use them if they absolutely have to these days, and almost never in the presence of water, just a thought as I’ve seen a lot of discoloured, overheated spade terminal covers on here in the last 18 months that could be improved on. Just a thought.

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@Deegee I thought the Bianca was pretty quiet, hard to believe the ECM would have been even quieter....so it must be exceptionally quiet. This is a small vid of a Bianca filling the steam boiler.

 

 

I don’t like – Sticks and Stones, beans that are sour, green…or rancid (horrible). Quakers hide until you roast them, then they scream out at you in the cooling tray, pick em out and flick them in the bin.. Lifes too short for bad coffee!

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Hi @DavecUK, I visited BB and they had both the Profitec 700 (internally the same as the Synch) and the Bianca side by side, we ran them both as they were the only two on my hit list, and yes, the Bianca wasn’t as quiet as the Profitec, I was surprised as I didn’t expect any difference in sound level, but let’s be honest, it was not a significant difference, just a noticeable one. I hope that explains it, I only added those differences to the post because had the Lelit scored even on those points, I’d have come away with a Bianca and not the ECM, which, with flow control added is another £500.
 

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