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Hello good people. I’ve been reading many threads and have really had my eyes opened somewhat. 
 

Now I like a good Mug of Black coffee and I have decided that I want to grind some fresh beans in the hope of improving on instant.

Looking at Grinders in general, I find them very ugly looking appliances, (with exception to the unbelievably expensive kind) of which I couldn’t justify. 
 

my question really, is how well could a High end hand grinder live with a £500 electric machine. Obviously not in production but in quality of grinds?

 

Thanks Guys. Dougie

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Tons and tons and tons and tons on this already.

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11 minutes ago, Dougieboy said:

Hello good people. I’ve been reading many threads and have really had my eyes opened somewhat. 
 

Now I like a good Mug of Black coffee and I have decided that I want to grind some fresh beans in the hope of improving on instant.

Looking at Grinders in general, I find them very ugly looking appliances, (with exception to the unbelievably expensive kind) of which I couldn’t justify. 
 

my question really, is how well could a High end hand grinder live with a £500 electric machine. Obviously not in production but in quality of grinds?

 

Thanks Guys. Dougie

Assuming you mean an espresso machine rather than a filter machine? Absolutely fine as long as you get something decent.

Filter machines you can get away with a cheaper one. Espresso machine you'd need something higher end to get a good quality fine grind. 

I was always surprised by the espresso I got from my Feldgrind, but haven't used it for espresso for ages because I have a Niche at home. The Feld is just for the office and travel, neither of which are happening these days! 

Worth remembering that hand grinding for espresso can be a bit of effort. Maybe consider getting one with bigger burrs like a Feld47 or Kinu if you want to make espresso grinding quicker and easier. 

Or just stick to something smaller if you want to develop some chonky arm muscles 😉

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12 minutes ago, jaffro said:

Assuming you mean an espresso machine rather than a filter machine? Absolutely fine as long as you get something decent.

Filter machines you can get away with a cheaper one. Espresso machine you'd need something higher end to get a good quality fine grind. 

I was always surprised by the espresso I got from my Feldgrind, but haven't used it for espresso for ages because I have a Niche at home. The Feld is just for the office and travel, neither of which are happening these days! 

Worth remembering that hand grinding for espresso can be a bit of effort. Maybe consider getting one with bigger burrs like a Feld47 or Kinu if you want to make espresso grinding quicker and easier. 

Or just stick to something smaller if you want to develop some chonky arm muscles 😉

Thanks for your reply Jaffro.

I don’t mind spending on a decent Hand Grinder, if it will be able to grow with me. For now it would be used for Aeropress etc, but later I definitely want to purchase an espresso machine, so it would have to be able To grind for that. My wife and I only have one or two cups per day, so a hand grinder would certainly benefit us. As you say they can travel (one day, hopefully, maybe) and secondly be put away after use

I’ve been looking at the Feld 47, it seems to be out of stock (I suppose that says a lot about the product) 

Thanks again Jaffro, I’ll carry on trawling some older threads. God bless mate. 

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33 minutes ago, Jony said:

Tons and tons and tons and tons on this already.

Ah well, its a forum. He just wants to engage and get some input 

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I’ve searched many many threads, quite surprisingly you seem to be on most of them with some smart arsed comment or another. 
Your like a bad smell

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I know, but if you can't be bothered to search what do you expect. One solution is just ignore me in your settings

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who said what haha ^

ive just gone from a 1zpresso jx pro to a mignon 50mm grinder

and tbh i think the hand grinder was easier to use in terms of dialing in, retention and what not, kinda regret selling, my issue is a knackered shoulder and elbow

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1 hour ago, Dougieboy said:

Hello good people. I’ve been reading many threads and have really had my eyes opened somewhat. 
 

Now I like a good Mug of Black coffee and I have decided that I want to grind some fresh beans in the hope of improving on instant.

Looking at Grinders in general, I find them very ugly looking appliances, (with exception to the unbelievably expensive kind) of which I couldn’t justify. 
 

my question really, is how well could a High end hand grinder live with a £500 electric machine. Obviously not in production but in quality of grinds?

 

Thanks Guys. Dougie

If you just want to grind for pour over, a hand grinder makes sense. At the cheaper end, you've got the likes of Porlex. From there, price-wise and quality-wise, it's a jump to grinders Made by Knock - Aergrind etc. Above that, you're into Commandante, Kinu territory but you are talking around £200 depending on model.

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35 minutes ago, Jony said:

Aw bless him

 

1 hour ago, Jony said:

Tons and tons and tons and tons on this already.

Condescending and rude comments that aren't needed. This forum is meant to be about encouraging those starting out on their coffee journey as well as "experts" trading knowledge and insights. The effort to post a snide remark could easily have been diverted into a constructive and helpful reply. This would not be acceptable if it were a new member doing the same. 

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1 hour ago, Dougieboy said:

Thanks for your reply Jaffro.

I don’t mind spending on a decent Hand Grinder, if it will be able to grow with me. For now it would be used for Aeropress etc, but later I definitely want to purchase an espresso machine, so it would have to be able To grind for that. My wife and I only have one or two cups per day, so a hand grinder would certainly benefit us. As you say they can travel (one day, hopefully, maybe) and secondly be put away after use

I’ve been looking at the Feld 47, it seems to be out of stock (I suppose that says a lot about the product) 

Thanks again Jaffro, I’ll carry on trawling some older threads. God bless mate. 

Best bet for any of the made by knock grinders is to follow them on Instagram (if you're a social media user). They post when they're likely to put stock up. 

I think at the moment they're spreading out and restocking weekly (rather than selling out instantly and having a massive backlog). Think this is generally happening on a Friday around 5pm. I'm not 100% sure if this is still the case, but might be a good time to have a look and see if there's any available. 

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2 hours ago, Dougieboy said:

Hello good people. I’ve been reading many threads and have really had my eyes opened somewhat. 
 

Now I like a good Mug of Black coffee and I have decided that I want to grind some fresh beans in the hope of improving on instant.

Looking at Grinders in general, I find them very ugly looking appliances, (with exception to the unbelievably expensive kind) of which I couldn’t justify. 
 

my question really, is how well could a High end hand grinder live with a £500 electric machine. Obviously not in production but in quality of grinds?

 

Thanks Guys. Dougie

I’m no expert on grinders, but I wouldn’t touch a hand grinder for espresso personally.......the effort and time  for dialling in for a new espresso bean would soon annoy me and I had a couple of lidos that grind pretty fast. I use a mazzer major.....I love it....looks like something off dr who. I use it for espresso, moka pot (and filter etc before it started upsetting my tummy). I can never understand how a lot of people make a big fuss that it’s hard to move from say espresso to filter.......it’s easy.....you just spin the dial......not even half a full turn....just record the number where you where etc....dead easy......same with the mazzer super jolly..... brilliant grinders. You soon get used to them in the kitchen. I just have a hand grinder to hand for holiday.

You don’t need to spend a fortune.

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If you like a nice mug of black coffee I’ve got a lovely Technivorm one cup for sale.....5 year guarantee. Lovely machine only had a few cups through it but had to stop using as the black coffee for some reason aggravates me. Gutted as it makes lovely faff free black coffee.

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@Dougieboy I've been in a similar place recently and is why I joined the forum a few weeks back. The difference is I was purely talking about filter as opposed to you wanting espresso down the line, so that very much changes the game of course. I learned a few things from trawling and also the very helpful replies from the guys on here. Also, I think our motivation for exploring hand grinder vs electric was probably similar....mine was thinking surely you'd have to pay a ridiculous amount to get equal quality to high end hand grinders. That was debuffed rather quickly for filter. With espresso on the other hand, everything seems to be so much more expensive! I guess because everything needs to be more precise. 

So what did I learn? Electric is sooo much more convenient than filter. You may only use 30g a day. You may be completely ok with hand grinding but boy, after trying both recently I'm very glad I went electric. Second, very few electrics in particular can do excellent filter AND espresso. With aeropress, I would imagine you're looking more along the espresso speciality grinder as opposed to the other way around. I also learned in my research as you appear to have, that made by knock is probably the best bang for your buck. Don't read anything into the feld being out of stock, he's hand making them currently so every week (or two) he puts an announcement on his website to say when the next small batch is available. It you stay sharp you should be able to order one within a few weeks.

On electric, I see pretty big consensus on the niche being very good price/performance for espresso. A good place to start is look if that works well for aeropress (I would imagine so). If it does, that may be a good avenue to investigate. This is obviously a fairly big leap from the feld but that's for you to decide. 

Edit: I've just read @Wuyang's post and I think he makes some excellent points, particularly with dialling in espresso. I honestly think electric is the way to go but yeah - you'd have to pay a bit more for good results. 

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2 hours ago, The Systemic Kid said:

If you just want to grind for pour over, a hand grinder makes sense. At the cheaper end, you've got the likes of Porlex. From there, price-wise and quality-wise, it's a jump to grinders Made by Knock - Aergrind etc. Above that, you're into Commandante, Kinu territory but you are talking around £200 depending on model.

Having looked at precisely this recently, my conclusion was that you may as well just spend £100 on a Wilfa Svart for excellent price/performance. Why spend £70-80 on a Porlex hang grinder when you could have a Wilfa for a very similar price? I realise this is hypothetical and it's not what Dougie is looking at. 

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Definitely worth a watch for hand grinders. 
Personally I would go for the Comandante C40. 
It makes espresso pretty quickly and does consistent filter. Plus as it is measured in clicks you can repeat settings and find helpful dialling in information online too. 
 

Then when you get super down the rabbit hole you can buy the red clix upgrade for even more adjustment 

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4 hours ago, Dougieboy said:

Hello good people. I’ve been reading many threads and have really had my eyes opened somewhat. 
 

Now I like a good Mug of Black coffee and I have decided that I want to grind some fresh beans in the hope of improving on instant.

Looking at Grinders in general, I find them very ugly looking appliances, (with exception to the unbelievably expensive kind) of which I couldn’t justify. 
 

my question really, is how well could a High end hand grinder live with a £500 electric machine. Obviously not in production but in quality of grinds?

 

Thanks Guys. Dougie

Take a look at the Pharos. The 2.0 was available from duismann coffee in Netherlands but isn't listed anymore, still maybe they can get one ordered if they're getting some of the spares they stock from OE. Otherwise I think the best options have been listed. I don't know how much better a commandante is compared to a Jxpro, maybe something to look into. 

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2 hours ago, Cuprajake said:

who said what haha ^

ive just gone from a 1zpresso jx pro to a mignon 50mm grinder

and tbh i think the hand grinder was easier to use in terms of dialing in, retention and what not, kinda regret selling, my issue is a knackered shoulder and elbow

Interesting, and a good point you make about your bad shoulder, I have flare up of arthritis from time to time. Food for thought. 
thank you Cuprajake

 

2 hours ago, The Systemic Kid said:

If you just want to grind for pour over, a hand grinder makes sense. At the cheaper end, you've got the likes of Porlex. From there, price-wise and quality-wise, it's a jump to grinders Made by Knock - Aergrind etc. Above that, you're into Commandante, Kinu territory but you are talking around £200 depending on model.

At this stage it was only for an Aeropress but I get the feeling I’m going to end up down a few “Rabbit holes” as they say. At the moment I’m drinking instant so I’ve many steps to take in my journey for a better coffee (currently littles Columbia) as recommend by James Hoffman. It’s certainly a step up from Nescafé but we can do better than that can’t we 😆

thank you for your input TSK much appreciated 

2 hours ago, Drellis said:

 

Condescending and rude comments that aren't needed. This forum is meant to be about encouraging those starting out on their coffee journey as well as "experts" trading knowledge and insights. The effort to post a snide remark could easily have been diverted into a constructive and helpful reply. This would not be acceptable if it were a new member doing the same. 

I quite agree, life’s hard enough right now for many, no need to put others down for the sheer fun of it. Thank you Drellis

 

2 hours ago, jaffro said:

Best bet for any of the made by knock grinders is to follow them on Instagram (if you're a social media user). They post when they're likely to put stock up. 

I think at the moment they're spreading out and restocking weekly (rather than selling out instantly and having a massive backlog). Think this is generally happening on a Friday around 5pm. I'm not 100% sure if this is still the case, but might be a good time to have a look and see if there's any available. 

Ah instagram is the one social media platform I do use from time to time. Thank you Jaffro much appreciated

 

2 hours ago, Wuyang said:

I’m no expert on grinders, but I wouldn’t touch a hand grinder for espresso personally.......the effort and time  for dialling in for a new espresso bean would soon annoy me and I had a couple of lidos that grind pretty fast. I use a mazzer major.....I love it....looks like something off dr who. I use it for espresso, moka pot (and filter etc before it started upsetting my tummy). I can never understand how a lot of people make a big fuss that it’s hard to move from say espresso to filter.......it’s easy.....you just spin the dial......not even half a full turn....just record the number where you where etc....dead easy......same with the mazzer super jolly..... brilliant grinders. You soon get used to them in the kitchen. I just have a hand grinder to hand for holiday.

You don’t need to spend a fortune.

if I’m honest. I can see me buying both in the long run, I camp a lot (well I used to pre Covid19) And also like to brew up in the woods, so a hand grinder would certainly get used a lot. 
but in honesty, I don’t tend to do things by half so will more than likely start saving my pennies. 
 

thanks for the offer of the technivorm, it’s not quite what I’m looking for right now, I’m on the lookout for a classic Gaggia or a Sylvia and of course I’ve a grinder or two to save for

thanks for your input Wuyang, greatly appreciated 

57 minutes ago, Rapid said:

@Dougieboy I've been in a similar place recently and is why I joined the forum a few weeks back. The difference is I was purely talking about filter as opposed to you wanting espresso down the line, so that very much changes the game of course. I learned a few things from trawling and also the very helpful replies from the guys on here. Also, I think our motivation for exploring hand grinder vs electric was probably similar....mine was thinking surely you'd have to pay a ridiculous amount to get equal quality to high end hand grinders. That was debuffed rather quickly for filter. With espresso on the other hand, everything seems to be so much more expensive! I guess because everything needs to be more precise. 

So what did I learn? Electric is sooo much more convenient than filter. You may only use 30g a day. You may be completely ok with hand grinding but boy, after trying both recently I'm very glad I went electric. Second, very few electrics in particular can do excellent filter AND espresso. With aeropress, I would imagine you're looking more along the espresso speciality grinder as opposed to the other way around. I also learned in my research as you appear to have, that made by knock is probably the best bang for your buck. Don't read anything into the feld being out of stock, he's hand making them currently so every week (or two) he puts an announcement on his website to say when the next small batch is available. It you stay sharp you should be able to order one within a few weeks.

On electric, I see pretty big consensus on the niche being very good price/performance for espresso. A good place to start is look if that works well for aeropress (I would imagine so). If it does, that may be a good avenue to investigate. This is obviously a fairly big leap from the feld but that's for you to decide. 

Edit: I've just read @Wuyang's post and I think he makes some excellent points, particularly with dialling in espresso. I honestly think electric is the way to go but yeah - you'd have to pay a bit more for good results. 

thank you for your in depth post. I really appreciate you taking the time. I think if I’m being totally honest, I will end up with an electric grinder also, she who must be obeyed will have to shift one of her many utensils 😂

 

57 minutes ago, Rapid said:

Having looked at precisely this recently, my conclusion was that you may as well just spend £100 on a Wilfa Svart for excellent price/performance. Why spend £70-80 on a Porlex hang grinder when you could have a Wilfa for a very similar price? I realise this is hypothetical and it's not what Dougie is looking at. 

Thanks for your post Rapid, I’ll take a look at that one, however I will need a hand grinder too, time to start putting some pennies in the jar, I may need a bigger jar also

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35 minutes ago, Apr1985 said:

Definitely worth a watch for hand grinders. 
Personally I would go for the Comandante C40. 
It makes espresso pretty quickly and does consistent filter. Plus as it is measured in clicks you can repeat settings and find helpful dialling in information online too. 
 

Then when you get super down the rabbit hole you can buy the red clix upgrade for even more adjustment 

I did watch this Apr1985  I was leaning in exactly the same way (comandante) but then at the end, he made a comment that if you owned any one of the above then you wouldn’t need to upgrade in his opinion. That left me feeling a bit undecided. Thanks for the post Apr1985

greatly appreciated

26 minutes ago, Rob1 said:

Take a look at the Pharos. The 2.0 was available from duismann coffee in Netherlands but isn't listed anymore, still maybe they can get one ordered if they're getting some of the spares they stock from OE. Otherwise I think the best options have been listed. I don't know how much better a commandante is compared to a Jxpro, maybe something to look into. 

Thanks Rob, I’ll take a look now, I appreciate your advice

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@Dougieboy My pleasure to help. Don't look at the Wilfa Svart though. That won't due for espresso if that's your end game. I was just talking about that purely for pourovers in response to another comment. 

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3 hours ago, Rapid said:

@Dougieboy My pleasure to help. Don't look at the Wilfa Svart though. That won't due for espresso if that's your end game. I was just talking about that purely for pourovers in response to another comment. 

Hmmmm a mate has just ordered one for use with his Aeropress and French press, he has a cheapish rhino hand grinder currently, as no lower cost grinder will do espresso and apart from a niche no electric grinder will easily switch from espresso to other and back it’s a case of get a niche or have 2 grinders, at that point a wilva for press/drip and a mignon etc for espresso is a reasonable possibility (counter clutter is an issue)  

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I currently use a Lido 3 for my espresso needs, and have been for the past 18 months or so. I usually have 2-3 coffees a day, and for that quantity, I don't particularly mind. Dialing in a new coffee is a real pain but once that's fine then it's good again. 

Given that I've been using it for 18 months, I feel I'm in a good position to say that it's not as bad as you might think (provided you don't have arthritis etc).

A good hand grinder kind of adds zen to the whole process. I would much prefer something that is easier to dial in (and a lot less bulkier), so with that view I would say don't get the Lido 3 (unless it has something specific that you want).

If I didn't have this, I would be going Comandante C40 or the Kinu.

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