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I have plenty of shot that go for good 45 seconds (inclusive of 10 sec pre-infusion). The taste is great and I do not pay too much attention to the time of extraction as long as the amount in the cup is the same. If your temperature is OK (stable) then longer time should not be as bad as people are used thinking. 

And I have not seen any rule that "do not permit" extraction beyond 30 secs 🙂

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I cracked open Origins Das Almas today and judging by the colour of the beans i adjusted Niche to 10 for 18grms.  Had no drips coming for about 20 seconds then 40gr out in 58 seconds :D I thought it would be bitter, but turned out to be one of the tastiest shot i have ever tasted. Then i tried this with grinding very fine with Colombian El Carmen decaf beans from James Gourmet which was previously sourish. Total time of the shot was 43 seconds 18gr in 40out and really enjoyed that one too.

The other week i was getting bitter (sort of burnt rubber) taste with some other beans and that turned out to be my rubber gasket needed changing lol. So i started to agree with other comments that it is hard to overextract and get bitter taste from beans just from 30 seconds of brewing.

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I love reading these posts because it lets me know I'm not the only one pulling hundreds of sour/bitter shots constantly (mainly sour eeeeeewww)

Well, it finally happened this weekend.... All the planets must of lined up for me and the 'gods ' of temperature, tamp pressure, distribution, grind etc all decided to give me a break for once. I finally pulled what I would consider my best shot ever and could enjoy every drop without looking like a bulldog licking [email protected] off nettles!!!

Anyway, the 'gods' have had their little tease now and it's back to vinegar tasting puke pucks!!

I've really got to get the Classic PID kit fitted or I'll be forever reading about everybodies nectar whilst gagging on my lip puckering sludge.

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