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New to the coffee hobby, about to buy my first grinder to probably do with a sage DTP. 
 

I believe the best grinders are the ones below, can I have thoughts on what I should get? 
it’ll be purely to use with my machine to be made as an espresso & then into a cortado/flat white etc, prefer strong coffee so I’m assuming I’ll be leaning towards darker roast coffee when I get some

eureka mignon facile £280

eureka mignon Silenzio £300

eureka mignon specialista £308 

baratza Sette 30.  £200

sage smart grinder pro   £200

Seen some on popular websites but ultimately apart from Bella barista I have no clue if a website is genuine/reputable or not

Any thoughts welcome but would appreciate a choice if you comment 

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If you can get a Mignon Specialita for 308 then buy them. It is a no brainer.

I thought we were the cheapest at 355!

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7 minutes ago, BlackCatCoffee said:

If you can get a Mignon Specialita for 308 then buy them. It is a no brainer.

I thought we were the cheapest at 355!

You probably are, I think he's looking at one I saw too, on Coffee Omega. I thought wow, £308, but that's without VAT. £378.60 once you add to cart.

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5 minutes ago, CocoLoco said:

You probably are, I think he's looking at one I saw too, on Coffee Omega. I thought wow, £308, but that's without VAT. £378.60 once you add to cart.

Ahh, that makes sense. I was wondering how it could possibly be so cheap.

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When i was looking i was going to go black car and get the silenzo

In the end i bought a hand grinder £190 should i have spend the extra 110. Sometimes 😂

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New to the coffee hobby, about to buy my first grinder to probably do with a sage DTP. 
 
I believe the best grinders are the ones below, can I have thoughts on what I should get? 
it’ll be purely to use with my machine to be made as an espresso & then into a cortado/flat white etc, prefer strong coffee so I’m assuming I’ll be leaning towards darker roast coffee when I get some
eureka mignon facile £280
eureka mignon Silenzio £300
eureka mignon specialista £308 
baratza Sette 30.  £200
sage smart grinder pro   £200
Seen some on popular websites but ultimately apart from Bella barista I have no clue if a website is genuine/reputable or not

Any thoughts welcome but would appreciate a choice if you comment 

I was in a similar predicament, for me I found the sage smart grinder producing some quite inconsistent and clumpy grinds.
If you really want to dial in your espresso, I think you will find the Sette 30 doesn’t quite have enough settings to really fine tune it and make small adjustments, nice fluffy grinds though!
I have ended up purchasing the Eureka Specialita from Black Cat Coffee which I’m looking forward to trying out.
I figured that there wasn’t enough of a price difference between the other models to not go for the the Specialita.

A Sette 270 is another option but I hear mixed reviews.

You may be looking at prices excluding VAT as they seem a little off!


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I'd be picking between one of the Eureka's and the Barratza. Understanding that the Barratza isn't always the best built machine out there, and nor is the Eureka. But the price point means that mis-aligned burrs from the factory (the Eureka) and short-ish lifespan (the Sette) are what you get for the money.  The Eureka is a solid machine, and it's main issue can be fixed for less than a tenner spent on tin foil and some dry wipe marker pens and a bit of time. 

I do agree that 30 settings for grind is too few for espresso, the 270 is where you need to be going. The Mignon will serve you far better there.


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2 hours ago, allikat said:

I'd be picking between one of the Eureka's and the Barratza. Understanding that the Barratza isn't always the best built machine out there, and nor is the Eureka. But the price point means that mis-aligned burrs from the factory (the Eureka) and short-ish lifespan (the Sette) are what you get for the money.  The Eureka is a solid machine, and it's main issue can be fixed for less than a tenner spent on tin foil and some dry wipe marker pens and a bit of time. 

I do agree that 30 settings for grind is too few for espresso, the 270 is where you need to be going. The Mignon will serve you far better there.

What’s the main issue??    What needs fixing? 

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Yeah you’re all right it was minus vat!   Lack of experience!! 
 

I think £355 is maybe a bit expensive for me, Unless there is an unbelievable argument the £55 is sooooo worth it....so options are

facile £280 from bellabarista 

silenzio £300 from @Black Cat Coffee

Sage pro £200 

What do people think?

 

 

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4 hours ago, Wisey said:

Yeah you’re all right it was minus vat!   Lack of experience!! 
 

I think £355 is maybe a bit expensive for me, Unless there is an unbelievable argument the £55 is sooooo worth it....so options are

facile £280 from bellabarista 

silenzio £300 from @Black Cat Coffee

Sage pro £200 

What do people think?

 

 

I have the Mignon Manuale which I believe is exactly the same as the new Facile. Or at least very similar. 
It's a great little grinder, but I would probably get the Silenzio from Black cat for that price. 

The Mignon is an excellent grinder, especially when you align the burrs. 
It's a giant leap above the Sage, and capable of producing a very good grind for lighter, denser roasts. 

 


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1 hour ago, TomHughes said:

I have the Mignon Manuale which I believe is exactly the same as the new Facile. Or at least very similar. 
It's a great little grinder, but I would probably get the Silenzio from Black cat for that price. 

The Mignon is an excellent grinder, especially when you align the burrs. 
It's a giant leap above the Sage, and capable of producing a very good grind for lighter, denser roasts. 

 

I like strong coffee so I’m assuming when I get my machine I’ll prefer darker roasts? 
 

will the facile/ silenzio/specialita do the job for me? 
 

 

why aren’t the burrs aligned??!! Why don’t have to do it?

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11 minutes ago, Wisey said:

I like strong coffee so I’m assuming when I get my machine I’ll prefer darker roasts? 
 

will the facile/ silenzio/specialita do the job for me? 
 

 

why aren’t the burrs aligned??!! Why don’t have to do it?

they are aligned just not to the tolerances some people think is acceptable or to the level they think they can taste a difference at. 

Plenty of people make coffee with a straight out of the box grinder and are happy with it, so perhaps not stress.

Think of coffee's you like the taste of rather than strength - you like dark chocolate , bitter type notes ?

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Just now, Mrboots2u said:

they are aligned just not to the tolerances some people think is acceptable .

Plenty of people make coffee with a straight out of the box grinder and are happy with it, so perhaps not stress.

Think of coffee's you like the taste of rather than strength - you like dark chocolate , bitter type notes ?

Ah ok...

im not that experienced in trying different coffee to be honest. I’m at the beginning of the journey! 
 

what do people mean about grinders when they say doserless? Thanks 

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1 minute ago, Wisey said:

Ah ok...

im not that experienced in trying different coffee to be honest. I’m at the beginning of the journey! 
 

what do people mean about grinders when they say doserless? Thanks 

This will answer alot of your questions 

 

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2 hours ago, Mrboots2u said:

they are aligned just not to the tolerances some people think is acceptable or to the level they think they can taste a difference at. 

Plenty of people make coffee with a straight out of the box grinder and are happy with it, so perhaps not stress.

Think of coffee's you like the taste of rather than strength - you like dark chocolate , bitter type notes ?

Mine were so mis-aligned that I couldn’t grind fine enough to get a good extraction from a light dense SHB, because the burrs were touching too soon. 

After re-aligning they went from touching at setting 1 to touching at -1. 
So yeh in my case it made ALL the difference.

Your experience may differ 


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1 hour ago, TomHughes said:

Mine were so mis-aligned that I couldn’t grind fine enough to get a good extraction from a light dense SHB, because the burrs were touching too soon. 

After re-aligning they went from touching at setting 1 to touching at -1. 
So yeh in my case it made ALL the difference.

Your experience may differ 

What’s SHB? 
What’s touching at 1 & touching at -1? 

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I’ve just read on bbc about coffee (fits in with the recent boom) and it says for milky drinks dark roast is best & espresso’s light roasts best (as you can taste flavours better)....is this about right? 

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Really need to start reading bud, no offence but your asking questions left right and centre expecting to be spoon fed. 

Do a few hrs reading on the forums. This is all stuff you can learn. Quite easy 

Im new to coffee as are you, but please read or your going to be spamming the forum to death.

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52 minutes ago, Cuprajake said:

Really need to start reading bud, no offence but your asking questions left right and centre expecting to be spoon fed. 

Do a few hrs reading on the forums. This is all stuff you can learn. Quite easy 

Im new to coffee as are you, but please read or your going to be spamming the forum to death.

I’ve watched so many videos !

& surely this forum is for communicating, anyone can google nowadays but it’s good to a) have a conversation.  B) get difference of opinions 

 

if people don’t want to reply then just ignore when I post or read it then don’t reply? 

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1 hour ago, Wisey said:

I’ve just read on bbc about coffee (fits in with the recent boom) and it says for milky drinks dark roast is best & espresso’s light roasts best (as you can taste flavours better)....is this about right? 

No.

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@Cuprajake ; is right. The trouble is that people often ask the same questions that have been asked a load of times before. So a quick search around the topics that you’re interested in, gives you a starting point. It might answer your question. Or it may be a conversation starter that gets you further than if you’d just asked the question in the first place. And if you ask 100 people an opinion on a piece of equipment the chances are you’ll get a 100 different answers. It really doesn’t get you far.

 

There’s so much stuff out there - especially on YouTube - that we all learn so much from when we start out. Find a few sites and get stuck in. You’ll see that not everyone has the same opinion and you’ll start to form your own ideas based on what you see - that makes for an interesting discussion on here.

 

Personally, I started by watching loads of vids by Chris Bacca, Seattle Coffee Gear, Tim Wendlebow and Whole Latte Love. If I were doing it again I’d start with working through James Hoffman and Scott Rao vídeos and then watch the others.

 

You’re getting into a great hobby - maybe it’ll become a passion. And there’s people on here that devote hours in contributing to threads which help the likes of you and me. If we can do that by not just asking questions that have been asked and answered a million times before, we can also give something back, and in time have some knowledge or expertise that we can share with others too.

 

 

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Is www.coff-hey.com a reputable website? 

Never heard of it before. Filter prices are high (eg aeropress filters £11) but other stuff seems about par for the course. Have you seen something on there in particular?


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I ordered off them, but cancelled the order as i found my scales cheaper off black cat. 

Fwiw they replied quickly and promptly refunded me 

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1 hour ago, Cuprajake said:

I ordered off them, but cancelled the order as i found my scales cheaper off black cat. 

Fwiw they replied quickly and promptly refunded me 

Thanks.....

what does Fwiw mean? 
What other reputable websites is there apart from black cat & Bella? 
again like golf clubs I’m sure there’s your reputable ones which golfers have heard of but then dodgy chinese sites..  guessing it might be similar with coffee stuff? 

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