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Yeah I’m pretty set on the BP (I think)

The faulty BE got sent back on Saturday and I have to admit, I miss it, even after just a week or so using it. 
 

If I had more worktop space I would think more about getting the DTP and SGP - but I like the idea that the BP has recently come out and is like an updated BE. From videos I’ve seen, they say it’s volumetric and not based on time so I’ll see how that goes.

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24 minutes ago, Julien Rashti said:

Yeah I’m pretty set on the BP (I think)

The faulty BE got sent back on Saturday and I have to admit, I miss it, even after just a week or so using it. 
 

If I had more worktop space I would think more about getting the DTP and SGP - but I like the idea that the BP has recently come out and is like an updated BE. From videos I’ve seen, they say it’s volumetric and not based on time so I’ll see how that goes.

I’d still weigh the shot. I’ve not found the volume to be accurate because of preinfusion 

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@TomHughes Can you recommend a good scale to me? Haven't actually got one yet.
Before I got a set of brewista2 on a Black Friday half price deal, I used this set for a couple of years. While they aren't waterproof, they've survived being drenched in coffee several times & are cheap enough to be replaced several times compared to more expensive sets. The only reason I upgraded to the brewistas was because they're rechargeable & the price was too good to miss.
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9 hours ago, -Tristan- said:

@TomHughes Can you recommend a good scale to me? Haven't actually got one yet.

I just use this 
`ducks for cover`

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-01G-200G-Digital-Weighing-Scales-Pocket-Grams-Small-Kitchen-Gold-Jewellery/372805462184?epid=19028941032&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item56ccefe8a8:g:GeAAAOSwOeBdph1e&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qVBhQALgbXQbPzzlx6zBsMveaxRxpY6LmZF9wOTtI%2BWJAI3nERkwuG1z%2F7g1nX3G8wmLMcs3qzZ7RKX5OAmW%2FQYz49PjkPJFOCrb5k6vZCtDqGcPYCbybqAgF4nEdQatK3i7s2p2FIAI0OmSq6uAmcr63cJfcY7yDEkaS%2FThH1Txjn2ikcEsburZHWOVvkuDWiPGZMLQW8UNQ1VMd%2FjP%2FjkLvWSIgdjc%2FTQdIuHVSj2SJ57HKhn61peVS0re%2Fw0eDdyyc9vYRjFL%2BlqVkwuY1ihP9S4xuyd0B87EWDWd18bpBW6BZm6Zh2jkd9dTL96Us9frzlNVvHv9zX5c1d%2FKkjSnNOwMw1R9Gef4TuWrxo%2BCMqUDCP5rRjeBWaL6vmejJJ5%2FEooLJWVEFZDl8Z9dcJ4ZD%2BSmkwOVqLKACJefrAoPuFifo0jxisYdfVX4%2FawdEZ8CWC2S5vYwABfkIa1wsCVRaGxxpFW94QncAoSvf5wirKqpomM0NzAANszDnRIcC2Eg42aogmuXvbPzPect7TdGOS%2BnnT1aqX6Jrm2TzO%2FXQC8VrE6%2Fp7y0rFR6v8MbO1Z2SbvjS9xGXNZo17bW0f1fnIgyDy%2BNwGI40H2N8NWWROuyH6dID2K8gSizBwLyxZ9amN%2Fb%2Fw7r79TPZTOKit6fDfwNEKrZYRvWK%2FEMHq5%2FEsfMDGOvAohE4%2BaPzs4BA3m57dFTHxeadnttdyhgH3SwOHthKl3JNScG1RG8OttBg%3D%3D&checksum=3728054621840b37108f043d4719ab74bccb9922c154&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qVBhQALgbXQbPzzlx6zBsMveaxRxpY6LmZF9wOTtI%2BWJAI3nERkwuG1z%2F7g1nX3G8wmLMcs3qzZ7RKX5OAmW%2FQYz49PjkPJFOCrb5k6vZCtDqGcPYCbybqAgF4nEdQatK3i7s2p2FIAI0OmSq6uAmcr63cJfcY7yDEkaS%2FThH1Txjn2ikcEsburZHWOVvkuDWiPGZMLQW8UNQ1VMd%2FjP%2FjkLvWSIgdjc%2FTQdIuHVSj2SJ57HKhn61peVS0re%2Fw0eDdyyc9vYRjFL%2BlqVkwuY1ihP9S4xuyd0B87EWDWd18bpBW6BZm6Zh2jkd9dTL96Us9frzlNVvHv9zX5c1d%2FKkjSnNOwMw1R9Gef4TuWrxo%2BCMqUDCP5rRjeBWaL6vmejJJ5%2FEooLJWVEFZDl8Z9dcJ4ZD%2BSmkwOVqLKACJefrAoPuFifo0jxisYdfVX4%2FawdEZ8CWC2S5vYwABfkIa1wsCVRaGxxpFW94QncAoSvf5wirKqpomM0NzAANszDnRIcC2Eg42aogmuXvbPzPect7TdGOS%2BnnT1aqX6Jrm2TzO%2FXQC8VrE6%2Fp7y0rFR6v8MbO1Z2SbvjS9xGXNZo17bW0f1fnIgyDy%2BNwGI40H2N8NWWROuyH6dID2K8gSizBwLyxZ9amN%2Fb%2Fw7r79TPZTOKit6fDfwNEKrZYRvWK%2FEMHq5%2FEsfMDGOvAohE4%2BaPzs4BA3m57dFTHxeadnttdyhgH3SwOHthKl3JNScG1RG8OttBg%3D%3D&checksum=3728054621840b37108f043d4719ab74bccb9922c154

 

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15 hours ago, TomHughes said:

I just use this 
`ducks for cover`

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-01G-200G-Digital-Weighing-Scales-Pocket-Grams-Small-Kitchen-Gold-Jewellery/372805462184?epid=19028941032&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item56ccefe8a8:g:GeAAAOSwOeBdph1e&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qVBhQALgbXQbPzzlx6zBsMveaxRxpY6LmZF9wOTtI%2BWJAI3nERkwuG1z%2F7g1nX3G8wmLMcs3qzZ7RKX5OAmW%2FQYz49PjkPJFOCrb5k6vZCtDqGcPYCbybqAgF4nEdQatK3i7s2p2FIAI0OmSq6uAmcr63cJfcY7yDEkaS%2FThH1Txjn2ikcEsburZHWOVvkuDWiPGZMLQW8UNQ1VMd%2FjP%2FjkLvWSIgdjc%2FTQdIuHVSj2SJ57HKhn61peVS0re%2Fw0eDdyyc9vYRjFL%2BlqVkwuY1ihP9S4xuyd0B87EWDWd18bpBW6BZm6Zh2jkd9dTL96Us9frzlNVvHv9zX5c1d%2FKkjSnNOwMw1R9Gef4TuWrxo%2BCMqUDCP5rRjeBWaL6vmejJJ5%2FEooLJWVEFZDl8Z9dcJ4ZD%2BSmkwOVqLKACJefrAoPuFifo0jxisYdfVX4%2FawdEZ8CWC2S5vYwABfkIa1wsCVRaGxxpFW94QncAoSvf5wirKqpomM0NzAANszDnRIcC2Eg42aogmuXvbPzPect7TdGOS%2BnnT1aqX6Jrm2TzO%2FXQC8VrE6%2Fp7y0rFR6v8MbO1Z2SbvjS9xGXNZo17bW0f1fnIgyDy%2BNwGI40H2N8NWWROuyH6dID2K8gSizBwLyxZ9amN%2Fb%2Fw7r79TPZTOKit6fDfwNEKrZYRvWK%2FEMHq5%2FEsfMDGOvAohE4%2BaPzs4BA3m57dFTHxeadnttdyhgH3SwOHthKl3JNScG1RG8OttBg%3D%3D&checksum=3728054621840b37108f043d4719ab74bccb9922c154&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qVBhQALgbXQbPzzlx6zBsMveaxRxpY6LmZF9wOTtI%2BWJAI3nERkwuG1z%2F7g1nX3G8wmLMcs3qzZ7RKX5OAmW%2FQYz49PjkPJFOCrb5k6vZCtDqGcPYCbybqAgF4nEdQatK3i7s2p2FIAI0OmSq6uAmcr63cJfcY7yDEkaS%2FThH1Txjn2ikcEsburZHWOVvkuDWiPGZMLQW8UNQ1VMd%2FjP%2FjkLvWSIgdjc%2FTQdIuHVSj2SJ57HKhn61peVS0re%2Fw0eDdyyc9vYRjFL%2BlqVkwuY1ihP9S4xuyd0B87EWDWd18bpBW6BZm6Zh2jkd9dTL96Us9frzlNVvHv9zX5c1d%2FKkjSnNOwMw1R9Gef4TuWrxo%2BCMqUDCP5rRjeBWaL6vmejJJ5%2FEooLJWVEFZDl8Z9dcJ4ZD%2BSmkwOVqLKACJefrAoPuFifo0jxisYdfVX4%2FawdEZ8CWC2S5vYwABfkIa1wsCVRaGxxpFW94QncAoSvf5wirKqpomM0NzAANszDnRIcC2Eg42aogmuXvbPzPect7TdGOS%2BnnT1aqX6Jrm2TzO%2FXQC8VrE6%2Fp7y0rFR6v8MbO1Z2SbvjS9xGXNZo17bW0f1fnIgyDy%2BNwGI40H2N8NWWROuyH6dID2K8gSizBwLyxZ9amN%2Fb%2Fw7r79TPZTOKit6fDfwNEKrZYRvWK%2FEMHq5%2FEsfMDGOvAohE4%2BaPzs4BA3m57dFTHxeadnttdyhgH3SwOHthKl3JNScG1RG8OttBg%3D%3D&checksum=3728054621840b37108f043d4719ab74bccb9922c154

 

I'm sure it does the job! I've heard Acaia scales are quite good but a tad too expensive for my liking.

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One of the Acaia claims is that they read the same where ever the weight is put on the platform. :) I'm always a bit dubious  about that sort of thing unless I see it. One model may have bluetooth or similar and an application to go with it to work out flow rates. Vaguely recollect seeing something along that line somewhere on some make. Visually out of a bottomless portafilter and maybe a look at  a used puck is good enough for me. There is also a chinese knock off of the acaia. Not sure it is a knock of really. They may have done their own firmware for it. Probably no updates and still circa £100. The firmware in this range is aimed at getting rapid accurate readings. There is a chance that they are factory calibrated to improve linearity. Also likely to come with a higher standard calibration weight.

Low capacity 0.01g scales usually mentioning jewellery, :) read drug dealers maybe as any real jewellery dealer will be using something a "little" more expensive. They can have problems because the load cell is fragile especially down in the 200g range.There is a Japanese brand that is reckoned to be a lot better but drug dealers have lots of money so the price hurts.That doesn't mean break just means for various reasons loose accuracy. I have had that problem mixing chemicals.

If some one searched this forum for scales suggestions and what was bought they would find that many bought the same as @ashcroc

I bought 500g scales. Fine until I needed to weigh higher. Some will if the initial weight is tarred out but are then being used over what they are rated for.

Auto turn off time can be a problem as well. For instance at the moment I need to check the dose coming out of the grinder as I have cleaned it so can need to add more beans to make up the weight.  I needed to do that twice recently.

Bean weights limit how accurate a dose can be unless people split beans or spoon grinds in so personally I stick clear of 0.01g ones but they may make scales settle more quickly.

Interesting to see that some one has problems with Sage's volume mode. I'd suspect that it's the same reason that an ordinary BE can act up. The DB does if used in that mode but can be set for time.

John

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Hi guys, I just wanted to say I got the Barista Pro and tried it today, and I’m so pleased with it. I can really tell the difference to the BE I had, not just because the BE was faulty but you can tell the machine is updated. The manual is a lot clearer and they go into more details to achieve a good espresso. 
 

It didn’t take me long to dial the espresso in, very good machine.

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On 13/01/2020 at 00:31, -Tristan- said:

Yeah it’s a pretty exciting time! 

Damn. That’s first-class customer service isn’t it. Where did the rust appear and after how long into owning it?

I think this is going to get pretty serious. Update though, since this post I purchased the DTP and SGP ;)

Interesting story as I definitely think the is a great beginner machine for me to start learning and tweaking with and actually. Very good machine for experienced baristas with a decent grinder too, for the money.

I didn't get the BE in the end as I did not hear terrific things about the grinder and heard stories of the beans getting hot. Most people steered me away from it and said I would be better off getting the DTP and separate grinder and I'm yet to regret it! 

That being said, they may have been isolated incidents. I'm not sure. I have seen posts of people who have had their BE for over a year and are still pleased with it, but I won't be getting one. I was successfully scared off :D 

Hi. I'm in the same dilemma now, how are you finding the suo temp and the grinder ?

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Hi,

both set ups has theirs plus and minus but the end results will be very similar. Either way you go you won’t be disappointed, sage coffee equipment is the best of the appliance type on the market. , anything above takes you to the pro world of coffee and anything below takes you back to the very bottom of the line. The beans are most important thing when making a coffee. I am a dtp and sgp user since two years and don’t see any reason for change or upgrade. 
Regards ?

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1 hour ago, Tonino said:

Hi,

both set ups has theirs plus and minus but the end results will be very similar. Either way you go you won’t be disappointed, sage coffee equipment is the best of the appliance type on the market. , anything above takes you to the pro world of coffee and anything below takes you back to the very bottom of the line. The beans are most important thing when making a coffee. I am a dtp and sgp user since two years and don’t see any reason for change or upgrade. 
Regards ?

I'm thinking the dtp and ago also. At least of 1 breaks it's cheaper to replace and also upgrade In the future. I do like the idea of the express having it all under one unit

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