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I have a question for you all on here.

Although I'm a coffee lover, I'm certainly no expert in any way, but pretty fussy about flavour and find that a great many beans/blends/roasts just aren't to my taste.

I have always tended towards the slightly milder, less bitter, more 'chocolatey' stuff. I would usually find myself settling with something 'colombian', although I would previously always buy locally, not from specialist distributors.

I'm currently living in Germany and by accident, shopping in a nearby boutique supermarket, came across a blend I adore, "Espresso Cuba Serrano". The problem is although so labelled, they roast in-house and sell under their own label, so I couldn't say if it is the same as, or how it would compare with other 'Cuba Serrano' blend on the market.

At one point they told me they were no longer going to supply it and I nerly had a heart attack. Fortunately, their suppliers got more in so it's still around, but it will be a dark day when/if it ever runs out again.

So here's the question. As you can with wine or music, how would you go about choosing or trying a new bean or blend, based on knowing what you like? I've often found that most shops, with greatest of respect, probably have less knowledge tham you would like, or are obviously influenced by their own subjective experiences or preferences. I drink double espresso, with some foamed milk in the mroning and on it's own during the day (if I have time) and although like my coffee strong, I don't like the really bitter astringent stuff most of the people in the shops want to sell me when I say I am looking for a strong smooth espresso.

Other than 'just keep trying and find what you like', which can be expensive and tiresome, what advice would you give to someone who wants to branch out and try other varieties, whilst still staying within a ball park of what they like, or to find a suitable alternative to something they can no longer get?

Are there coffee someliers? Is there some kind of comparison site?

Thanks in advance ?


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I go by the tasting notes either on the bag or online (where I usually buy). I know I like fruity notes, especially berries, and also apple and other descriptions. That leads me to trying different beans.

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What Mildred said.

FWIW, I also love Cuba Serrano and was gutted when Hasbean stopped having it. I tend to try beans with caramel, toffee or chocolate in their tasting notes. Bourbon beans usually hit my palate in a good way.

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https://www.coffeecompass.co.uk/collections/central-america/products/cuban-serrano-altura-superior-500g

will need to email or call (read the blurb, paypal and Cuba etc) very buttery smooth

Hope of help

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I  also go for tasting notes and reviews from other coffee lovers. Then it depends on what brewing method I use. I like fruity coffees, light roast, for my Aeropress and Chemex and more chocolatey notes, medium roast for my French Press. I mostly get my coffee from Cafés Lugat because I know the team and appreciate the work they do.

I would strongly advise you visit a good coffee roaster if you have the chance to have one nearby, talk about the perfect smooth espresso you are looking for and try before you buy. 

It's a great experience too ☺️     

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Adams & Russell have one by that name, but, as @MildredM said, I would try and get the accurate taste notes and search for them. Serrano I tried (actually brought to me from Cuba) was quite burnt and ashy, so name may not be the indicator. I usually use my little online search tool to search for my fav taste notes :).

Also keep an eye on Coffee Compass, their "cuban serrano altura superior" mentioned by @johnealey , is currently out of stock, but they have similar tasting blends and I am very happy with the roaster. I just finished their Sweet Bourbon Espresso Blend, which was great and had the notes you described. Their Red Roast Blend and Mahogany Blend is worth checking out.

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@Beanedict Cuba Serrano not out of stock  at Coffee Compass (you need to read the blurb ref PayPal & Cuba) :)

Agree with you on the "brought directly from Cuba" stuff as they tend to like a rather well developed (some may say dark) roast for the volume offerings. My eldest daughter brought me a couple of kilos back of turquino which was definitely roasted more to local taste than mine.

John


Roasters: BB Dalian Amazon 1kg -Power contolled GeneCafe 101- 105Kg of greens - Tonino

Espresso: Londinium L2 - Gaggia G105 - Silvia v3 Mr.Shades PID'-d - Faema E92a2 (Project) - MyPressi Twist - VST baskets / Motta Europa (350/500/750ml) - Torr Ti 58.55 & Goldfinger flat 58.4 TiBlack, Pullman 51.4 - Acaia x2

Grinders: Flats: Compak R120 - NS Mythos plus Conics: Compak K10PB - Lido 3

Brewed: Behmor Brazen - Moccamaster KBGT471 - Aeropress - V60 - Cona model D - Clever - Mizudashi - 8-10 + 6 cup Chemex

Water: BWT Bestmax V Refrac: VST III

and a Puq Press not in a pear tree..

 

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@johnealey , ah, damn you technology. I trust too much the visuals and did not remove my blinkers. I thought that "not sold out" text was a mistake :) . in that case, @zoglet should definitely go for that as a fist port of call. 

I thought that our capitalist trans-atlantic friends did not have beef no more with our cigar smoking red comrades. There was another story recently involving paypal and some weird rules about groups of people they don't like.


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On 01/11/2019 at 13:07, zoglet said:

I have a question for you all on here.

Although I'm a coffee lover, I'm certainly no expert in any way, but pretty fussy about flavour and find that a great many beans/blends/roasts just aren't to my taste.

I have always tended towards the slightly milder, less bitter, more 'chocolatey' stuff. I would usually find myself settling with something 'colombian', although I would previously always buy locally, not from specialist distributors.

I'm currently living in Germany and by accident, shopping in a nearby boutique supermarket, came across a blend I adore, "Espresso Cuba Serrano". The problem is although so labelled, they roast in-house and sell under their own label, so I couldn't say if it is the same as, or how it would compare with other 'Cuba Serrano' blend on the market.

At one point they told me they were no longer going to supply it and I nerly had a heart attack. Fortunately, their suppliers got more in so it's still around, but it will be a dark day when/if it ever runs out again.

So here's the question. As you can with wine or music, how would you go about choosing or trying a new bean or blend, based on knowing what you like? I've often found that most shops, with greatest of respect, probably have less knowledge tham you would like, or are obviously influenced by their own subjective experiences or preferences. I drink double espresso, with some foamed milk in the mroning and on it's own during the day (if I have time) and although like my coffee strong, I don't like the really bitter astringent stuff most of the people in the shops want to sell me when I say I am looking for a strong smooth espresso.

Other than 'just keep trying and find what you like', which can be expensive and tiresome, what advice would you give to someone who wants to branch out and try other varieties, whilst still staying within a ball park of what they like, or to find a suitable alternative to something they can no longer get?

Are there coffee someliers? Is there some kind of comparison site?

Thanks in advance ?

Hi !

I also love chocolatey coffees, my favourite ! I was also looking for a not too bitter or sour coffee, but when you talk about espresso...quite difficult to find something mild.

If you are in Germany you can order i try some of the Cafés Lugat, freshly roasted. Should I recommend coffees I really appreciate:

  • Cafetales Cocla
  • Altura
  • Cerrado Mineiro
  • Rio Jorco
  • La Libertad
  • Blend du Pacifique

If you have the opportunity to try one of them, i'd be curious to know what you think about !

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42 minutes ago, Leslie M. said:

Hi !

I also love chocolatey coffees, my favourite ! I was also looking for a not too bitter or sour coffee, but when you talk about espresso...quite difficult to find something mild.

If you are in Germany you can order i try some of the Cafés Lugat, freshly roasted. Should I recommend coffees I really appreciate:

  • Cafetales Cocla
  • Altura
  • Cerrado Mineiro
  • Rio Jorco
  • La Libertad
  • Blend du Pacifique

If you have the opportunity to try one of them, i'd be curious to know what you think about !

Does it also help if you are associated with the company selling these beans? I suggest discussing advertising on the forum rather than keep posting links.


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I choose new beans to try primarily by tasting notes but also allow someone else to pick beans for me via a subscription which can result in finding something wonderful and sampling beans I wouldn't normally go for.  Come to think of it, some of my favourite beans have been those that didn't sound like something I'd love.  Take North Star Ethiopian.  When looking at their website I made a mental note of the beans I wanted to try, based on the tasting notes.  Then I visited their shop and tried the Ethipian that was being served in the cafe.  This was not on my list of beans to try.  But I loved it and it has become a favourite.  My advice is to be adventurous and see it as a journey not a destination.  You wouldn't eat the same meal every day so why drink the same bean every day?    Try something outside of your comfort zone - you might find you love it.

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I  also go for tasting notes and reviews from other coffee lovers. Then it depends on what brewing method I use. I like fruity coffees, light roast, for my Aeropress and Chemex and more chocolatey notes, medium roast for my French Press. I mostly get my coffee from Cafés Lugat because I know the team and appreciate the work they do.

I would strongly advise you visit a good coffee roaster if you have the chance to have one nearby, talk about the perfect smooth espresso you are looking for and try before you buy. 

It's a great experience too      

same here@MildredM

 

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Good luck with your hunt, zoglet! 

As a newby, I do think all of this is very good advice:  get guidance from tasting notes, try out new coffees whenever the opportunity arises,  take suggestions from trusted roasters, baristas and friends.  And be open to try something a bit different from your usual.  

And if you try something you don’t love, it is OK because now you know something else about your preferences.

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Sorry all for the delay in responding, haven't been very well over the last weeks.

The cuba serrano I buy is roasted on site, so cuban preferences aren't a factor. Also there are no tasting notes, I just happened across it and liked it. I've been drinking coffee for twenty five years and working on the principle of 'try ones that have a similar flavour profile to that which you like". I was just wondering if there was something more empirical out there.

Nonetheless, thanks everyone for their comments. :)


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