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Hello!

I used to frequent these grounds, but dropped off of heavy interest after years of not having my machine available. I've been running my old brewtus ii (2006 model) for the last couple of years and done a few repairs/servicing. However, I've not been that good to it and it's finally giving up the ghost. 

It's time for a new machine, and for years I have dreamt of the Londinium I, then R. Since I'm thrust into a position of needing to do something soon, but have been out of the loop for some time, I'm being a bit lazy and asking if this is still a solid move many years on. I'm attracted to the Londinium for the simplicity - I don't want all the electronic gadgets (replaced the temperature controller on mine twice because it melted essentially). I only have a Vario grinder and I know that won't do the Londinium justice, but that upgrade will come later. 

I'm looking for a machine that will last a good lifespan, be easy to maintain etc. I'm not all that experimental anymore, just order good coffee and enjoy. I want a simple life haha. I've had a quick look at the market and recent forum posts and can't see anything that would away me from Londinium, but I know people here will have had lots of discussion over new machines and experience. Since I very rarely allow myself to be so extravagant as to drop 2.5k on a new toy, I'd ask, are there any compelling arguments that this is not a good use of the money? Downsides I'm aware of include having to buy Volvic or Ashbeck (Ealing water is super hard).

Thanks for any advice!

Tom

 


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Hello :)

I think anyone with an L-R will say they are fantastic - they are, and I personally can’t see any machine out there I’d rather have. If you’ve had a hankering for one then you’d likely feel cheated if you didn’t go for it now. 


2019 L-R with hand turned Thuya burr handles and toggles / 1998 La Pavoni / Monolith Titan Flat & Conical, MAX Flat on order  / HG-1 / Kalita wave / Stag kettle / OCD / Joey Skateboard Handle Pullman Big Step & matching stirrer / Wenge Handle Lev Tamp / Push Tamper / Puqpress / 15g & 18g vst / IMS 35μM / LDT / Barista Gear Titanium 12oz pitchers / LW Bean Cellars & Caddy / Decent thermometer / Acme Evo 150ml cups / Espazzola / Hottop / embroidered by me bar towels / in the cellars: Steampunk, North Star, Foundry, The Barn, HasBean, Coffee Compass / 6 gorgeous guineas / a dog / a very lovely husband 

 

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Do it do it do it!

On a serious note it sounds like the R ticks all the boxes for you. The simplicity is what attracted me to it too. I cant imagine ever having to replace it due to reliability


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if you can afford it then why not, its reputation is very solid, the aftersales support if you need it is pretty good  as well.

As you say to get the best from it a new grinder is required.

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A couple of further thoughts.....

The toggle switches are smoother on the newer machines imo. 

The factory fitted PID and soon-to-be released App for control of this is a bonus.

Heat up time can be annoying if you arrive home mid afternoon and fancy a quick coffee. To solve this all you need is to have a La Pav alongside 😂

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2019 L-R with hand turned Thuya burr handles and toggles / 1998 La Pavoni / Monolith Titan Flat & Conical, MAX Flat on order  / HG-1 / Kalita wave / Stag kettle / OCD / Joey Skateboard Handle Pullman Big Step & matching stirrer / Wenge Handle Lev Tamp / Push Tamper / Puqpress / 15g & 18g vst / IMS 35μM / LDT / Barista Gear Titanium 12oz pitchers / LW Bean Cellars & Caddy / Decent thermometer / Acme Evo 150ml cups / Espazzola / Hottop / embroidered by me bar towels / in the cellars: Steampunk, North Star, Foundry, The Barn, HasBean, Coffee Compass / 6 gorgeous guineas / a dog / a very lovely husband 

 

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I’ve been considering an L-R for some time myself and was pretty much on the verge of getting one, when a realisation hit home - more on that in a moment.

The L-R  appears to be a well supported quality product that has so many things going for it. The support pages on the company website together with friendly user advice from this forum speak volumes for how well this machine is thought of in the home coffee making environment. I’ve found a wealth of information on the L Support pages and Reiss keeps on top of queries as they come in. He seems to have a lot of patience, believe me, I know, as I’ve asked some stupid questions all in the name of research. Owners genuinely seem bowled over by its performance and it’s simplicity is a feature that really appeals to me.

Like you, I haven’t changed my machine in over 10 years - but mine is still going strong. The thought of a new challenge and a final forever machine excites me, BUT the only thing that’s holding me back from buying one is it’s  power consumption credentials. The boiler isn’t lagged and to heat up the heavy group takes about an hour. Reiss recommends a timer  switch so that it’s warm by the time you get up. It seems a lot of energy use to knock out two doubles in the morning. The machine is rated at 2.4 kW. Don’t get me wrong, I may still go for one,  but Im trying to reconcile this issue with an eye to my impact on the environment and my coffee consumption habit.🤔 It all boils down to choice in the end and what factors are important to you.

As you could be potentially buying directly from Londinium, the opportunity to see one in the flesh is a little limited, but understand Reiss is happy to Skype / FaceTime with a view to going through the machine with you - what a service!

I believe there is an App that is due to be released shortly that enables you to alter the pre-infusion parameters, another bonus particularly if you like to experiment with your roast levels on your coffee.

As mentioned in an earlier post within this thread, the expense will not stop at the machine - a quality grinder is also needed to get the best from the L-R. Reiss seems to favour the Monolith - good luck with trying to get one. Like the L-R, I guess they could be classed as a considered purchase.

Good luck with your deliberations.

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There is one for sale in the for sale section at the moment however I would consider it somewhat overpriced based on it seeming to lack the digital pre-infusion (£300 to add) and being around 2 years old. You might be able to haggle a bit though. 

Not going to lie, if I had the money spare I would have one of these. I love the look of them and I haven't heard many bad things said about them.  

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There is one for sale in the for sale section at the moment however I would consider it somewhat overpriced based on it seeming to lack the digital pre-infusion (£300 to add) and being around 2 years old. You might be able to haggle a bit though. 

Not going to lie, if I had the money spare I would have one of these. I love the look of them and I haven't heard many bad things said about them.  

It's only overpriced if you can get another one for cheaper. These machines have been working fine without digital pre-infusion for years so while it may be nice to have, it certaimly isn't a necessity.

 

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Reiss recommends a timer  switch so that it’s warm by the time you get up. It seems a lot of energy use to knock out two doubles in the morning. The machine is rated at 2.4 kW. Don’t get me wrong, I may still go for one,  but Im trying to reconcile this issue with an eye to my impact on the environment and my coffee consumption habit.

The heat element is not constantly on once it reaches the temperature. I take these measurements from the smart switch with a pinch of salt, but here you are...
It’s turned on daily for 2 hours with an exception of 3 days where it’s on from early morning to late afternoon when I’m at home.
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It’s surely more than a kettle for brewed coffee, but it’s not crazy amount. My bill was bumped by few pounds now, but I also got an electric clothes drier plus few other things.

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Thanks @PPapa for providing the useful information. I fully realise that the energy consumption will depend upon the time it takes for the stat to come up to temperature and cycle. This cycle rate will amongst other things depend upon the ambient temperature of the room that the group is shedding heat to. 

I too use the in built power consumption app within my wifi switch for my E61 machine.

As a point of interestI've been following threads on L-R boiler lagging and also there's this older one;

https://londiniumespresso.com/news/energy-consumption-londinium-i

The link gives a real world consumption figure from Reiss for a larger 2850W element and I thought it fair to infer from it a ball park indication of potential energy consumption for the L-R. Your energy consumption figure in relation, isn't that wide of the mark...... tempting! 🤔

 

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2 hours ago, ashcroc said:

It's only overpriced if you can get another one for cheaper. These machines have been working fine without digital pre-infusion for years so while it may be nice to have, it certaimly isn't a necessity.

 

The fact that there are quite a lot of people who would love a Londinium R and it hasn't sold suggests that it might be overpriced but this is obviously an entirely subjective matter. 

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I haven’t ever tried this, but keep meaning to try a folded towel over the machine and cups to help heat up time. That plus has already been said, a few flushes of the group once the boiler is up to temp would reduce waiting time. I quite often leave a coffee bar towel across my cups on top and they heat up far more than without, in fact they are usually too hot to hold while I pour the milk. 

Once it is up to temp the stat to keep it up there only kicks in now and then. I’d be guessing but the red light was on for about 10 seconds just now and hadn’t been on for possibly 10 minutes before that.

I suppose quite a few machines are going to seem extravagant for just a couple of cups a couple of times per day but that is a different consideration. 


2019 L-R with hand turned Thuya burr handles and toggles / 1998 La Pavoni / Monolith Titan Flat & Conical, MAX Flat on order  / HG-1 / Kalita wave / Stag kettle / OCD / Joey Skateboard Handle Pullman Big Step & matching stirrer / Wenge Handle Lev Tamp / Push Tamper / Puqpress / 15g & 18g vst / IMS 35μM / LDT / Barista Gear Titanium 12oz pitchers / LW Bean Cellars & Caddy / Decent thermometer / Acme Evo 150ml cups / Espazzola / Hottop / embroidered by me bar towels / in the cellars: Steampunk, North Star, Foundry, The Barn, HasBean, Coffee Compass / 6 gorgeous guineas / a dog / a very lovely husband 

 

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I narrowed it down to two machines L.R or the Vesusvius I picked the Vesuvius, If I was to get another machine it would be the L.R. Like it was said if you can afford it buy it or you will kick yourself.


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4 hours ago, MildredM said:

all you need is to have a La Pav alongside 

that... 😂

I'd go as far as to say that all you need is a LaPav. period. 😁

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I’m sad to see a few of you refer my L-R as being overpriced. I priced it accordingly from what previous L-R’s have sold for, and as stated in my sales thread, has over £200 worth of extras. I would like to say that offers are considered, but was unable to edit my post shortly after the post was made.

Also, if some/all of the additional accessories are not wanted then please let me know as I will be happy to sell them separately.

 

 

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I thought it was a very fair price personally @Sparkyx 


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1 hour ago, Hasi said:

that... 😂

I'd go as far as to say that all you need is a LaPav. period. 😁

So have you taken the LR off your wish list 😂.. What machine are you selling first ??? 

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5 minutes ago, MildredM said:

I thought it was a very fair price personally @Sparkyx 

Especially with that bespoke tamping station 😇

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19 minutes ago, MildredM said:

I thought it was a very fair price personally @Sparkyx 

Yeah I also thought it wasn't badly priced considering the extra bits

 

Regarding energy consumption I haven't found any increase in my monthly bills so the use must be minimal. Unfortunately my smart plug doesn't read energy consumption, but for reference my machine has averaged just shy of 6 hours per day

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There’s been few LRs for cheaper that lingered for a long time, it’s just timing. Holiday season, long after bonus periods, people who want a Londinium will get one and hold on for their lifetime (or so it seems), etc...

It will get sold as it’s more than decent price considering extras, it’s just people want a Rolex for a price of a Casio.

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I'm similar in terms of wanting low maintenance, not much experimenting with different beans etc. I love my L1 (the ease of maintenacne/cleaning just isn't lauded enough in folks' reviews IMO!) and the LR doesn't appeal to me in the slightest as I know for my bean preference the enhanced pre-infusion would not likely be noticed by my taste buds.  Save yourself a grand or more and get a pre-loved L1.

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To save on Ashbeck/Volvic etc. Get a water filter and go plumbed in. Once you plumb a machine in you won't look back.

I thought about getting a Londinium once, but then I had to buy the Speedster to save a few marriages :classic_laugh: I also have a La pavoni so I've sort of got it covered in that respect.


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Thanks for all the input guys. Must say, it doesn't sound like there is much of a compelling reason for me to not go ahead....

I have another outgoing to take care of soon, but should be able to order in a month or two! How exciting. Regards to plumbing in, I cannot do that due to location of the machine. Regards to heat up time, I always have mine on a digital timer socket anyway, so it comes on nice and early in the morning.

I hope that by the time I order, the wireless module is already installed etc :D 


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If you're having bland coffee I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but my beans ain't one. Yeah.

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On 02/08/2019 at 18:48, Jony said:

I narrowed it down to two machines L.R or the Vesusvius I picked the Vesuvius, If I was to get another machine it would be the L.R. Like it was said if you can afford it buy it or you will kick yourself.

It is exactly the same for me. 

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