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Hi All,

 

I’m Fraser from a small town near Falkirk in Scotland. I have just ordered a Amazon Dalian Roaster to home roast coffee, and have zero roasting experience! Excited to learn the processes associated with roasting and share experiences with you guys

 

I also hoping to get some helpful hints and tips from you guys to help me on the way to hopefully being able to successfully roast coffee. Feel free to get in touch.

 

cheers!!

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Hello and welcome :)

 

How exciting! Hope you can share some pics when your machine lands ;)


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Absolutely. I will document my experiences as much as possible when it lands, including pictures.

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Welcome and good luck with the Amazon.

As you are jumping straight in, be prepared to chuck several kilos into the bin. I suggest you buy 30/60kgs of a reasonable quality but still moderately priced Brazilian to keep the costs in check whilst still having something drinkable when you do 'click'!

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Welcome and good luck with the Amazon.

As you are jumping straight in, be prepared to chuck several kilos into the bin. I suggest you buy 30/60kgs of a reasonable quality but still moderately priced Brazilian to keep the costs in check whilst still having something drinkable when you do 'click'!

 

Thanks Batian, I shall be doing that and giving away coffee to friends and family. Don’t know how drinkable it will be to start with....

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Hi and good luck on the roasting journey I'm sure you will learn alot here.

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If you havent read through it already (and it runs to a few pages) there is a thread entitled new "It's that time of year again - new roaster coming on test" that not only charts how the BB edition of the Amazon came into being but also quite a few of our "learnings" along the way. There are loads of little nuggets in there that will save you some grief at some point. @Batian advice is sound in that is you get enough of a decent standard bean to get your skills honed in, you will pick things up way quicker than if you chop and change beans. If you can get down to @DavecUK at some point you will accelerate your learning as well, which given the price of the roaster, is just a small percentage for such a large gain in experience.

Other piece of advice, read the fire safety section and apply! Having had a couple of chaff fires over the last 300Kg have always been thankful of the advice in that section (and a CO2 fire extinguisher, keeping beans spinning but air off etc made me think how may have turned out if the beans themselves were on fire!)

Best of luck on your roasting journey, accept that the first couple will be undrinkable as you will be surprised how quickly things start happening at first crack and the first batch you need to bin anyway, think of it as a "cleaning" run.


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If you havent read through it already (and it runs to a few pages) there is a thread entitled new "It's that time of year again - new roaster coming on test" that not only charts how the BB edition of the Amazon came into being but also quite a few of our "learnings" along the way. There are loads of little nuggets in there that will save you some grief at some point. @Batian advice is sound in that is you get enough of a decent standard bean to get your skills honed in, you will pick things up way quicker than if you chop and change beans. If you can get down to @DavecUK at some point you will accelerate your learning as well, which given the price of the roaster, is just a small percentage for such a large gain in experience.

Other piece of advice, read the fire safety section and apply! Having had a couple of chaff fires over the last 300Kg have always been thankful of the advice in that section (and a CO2 fire extinguisher, keeping beans spinning but air off etc made me think how may have turned out if the beans themselves were on fire!)

Best of luck on your roasting journey, accept that the first couple will be undrinkable as you will be surprised how quickly things start happening at first crack and the first batch you need to bin anyway, think of it as a "cleaning" run.

 

Thanks very much for the info @johnealey. I will check out that thread. I would definitely visit @DavecUK if he was running a course but it would be a challenge in finding the time and fitting around family. Never say never. I have also been loooking into sourcing an initial bean to practice. I have sourced the following supplier online - Mercanta - CoffeeHunter, Cafe Imports - Europe, DRWakefield, Nordic Approach, Falcon Coffees

& Olam Specialty Coffee. Some like coffee hunter require a min order, think it’s 300kg. Do you (or anyone) have any suggestion on a good green bean supplier for 30-50kg of the same bean. And even if you had a particular bean you think would be good to use for learning it would be much appreciated.

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I know a lot of this is trial and error on my part, but I will take any advice going from the community to help me along the way.

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I can recommend Falcon Coffee, it's where I get most of my Coffee from nowadays. They will also do smaller orders e.g. £50 1 sack, £55 or £60 for 3 sacks. I would always recommend 3 sacks as a starter amount, perhaps 2 X 60kg and a 30-35kg grainpro. They have 2 lists, only order from the speciality list....don't bother with commodity coffee as you have a small roaster. It's also nice that they tend to have comprehensive background information on most speciality coffees.


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I can recommend Falcon Coffee, it's where I get most of my Coffee from nowadays. They will also do smaller orders e.g. £50 1 sack, £55 or £60 for 3 sacks. I would always recommend 3 sacks as a starter amount, perhaps 2 X 60kg and a 30-35kg grainpro. They have 2 lists, only order from the speciality list....don't bother with commodity coffee as you have a small roaster. It's also nice that they tend to have comprehensive background information on most speciality coffees.

 

Thanks @DavecUK I’ll get an order in with them when I know when the roaster will arrive from BB. Appreciate the advice on the coffee types. I’ll bear that in mind.

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From your list you will find that the following have minimum orders:

D R Wakefield

Mercanta

(Possibly)

Coffee Hunter

Also

Inter American

And

Nordic Approach have no minimum order but they do impose a surcharge of $US 50 on orders below 300kg

 

Olam Speciality (formerly Schluters) are welcoming to small batch roasters and will sell 1 sack with no minimum order. They acknowledge that the roasting scene is changing.

They currently have a 30kg Brazilian in stock.

 

Cafe Imports are Germany based but warehouse in the UK. Very helpful and small roaster friendly. Slight disadvantage is that you have to buy at $USD and pay in Euros. Using Transferwise has been easy and economic for me. (https://transferwise.com/)

 

Small Batch Roasting offer a very good service ---small batches --- but at a price. As a rule of thumb, buying a sack direct from an importer is going to be 40/50% cheaper. Research! They also use DPD as a courier. Good and bad there, depending on your location.

 

One of your problems is going to be transport. A sack is transported on a pallet. Not so bad when its a tonne, but expensive for a single sack. Do some local research and see if 30kgs can be transported cheaper by couriers such as DX. You may find your locals can arrange transport cheaper than the importer /warehouse.

 

Research to see if there is a coffee warehouse near you.

I know D R Wakefield have sister businesses in Scotland, perhaps there is an opening there, and one that avoids the minimum order?

I found them rude and unhelpful when I tried too buy larger quantities, but being local, you may have better luck.

 

Note, it is highly unlikely importers will split a sack and re package. You may be able pick up 'end of batch' lightweight sacks that have been opened for sampling.

 

Perhaps something to consider is teaming up with other similar roasters in your area and doing a 'greens share' to enable collective buying for price, whilst maintaining variety in your selection.

 

Ps.Note weights are gross weight!

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From your list you will find that the following have minimum orders:

D R Wakefield

Mercanta

(Possibly)

Coffee Hunter

Also

Inter American

And

Nordic Approach have no minimum order but they do impose a surcharge of $US 50 on orders below 300kg

 

Olam Speciality (formerly Schluters) are welcoming to small batch roasters and will sell 1 sack with no minimum order. They acknowledge that the roasting scene is changing.

They currently have a 30kg Brazilian in stock.

 

Cafe Imports are Germany based but warehouse in the UK. Very helpful and small roaster friendly. Slight disadvantage is that you have to buy at $USD and pay in Euros. Using Transferwise has been easy and economic for me. (https://transferwise.com/)

 

Small Batch Roasting offer a very good service ---small batches --- but at a price. As a rule of thumb, buying a sack direct from an importer is going to be 40/50% cheaper. Research! They also use DPD as a courier. Good and bad there, depending on your location.

 

One of your problems is going to be transport. A sack is transported on a pallet. Not so bad when its a tonne, but expensive for a single sack. Do some local research and see if 30kgs can be transported cheaper by couriers such as DX. You may find your locals can arrange transport cheaper than the importer /warehouse.

 

Research to see if there is a coffee warehouse near you.

I know D R Wakefield have sister businesses in Scotland, perhaps there is an opening there, and one that avoids the minimum order?

I found them rude and unhelpful when I tried too buy larger quantities, but being local, you may have better luck.

 

Note, it is highly unlikely importers will split a sack and re package. You may be able pick up 'end of batch' lightweight sacks that have been opened for sampling.

 

Perhaps something to consider is teaming up with other similar roasters in your area and doing a 'greens share' to enable collective buying for price, whilst maintaining variety in your selection.

 

Ps.Note weights are gross weight!

 

Thanks for taking the time for this post. It’s very helpful and will definitely consider when I come to purchase.

 

Cheers.

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