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Faster grind is related to how aggressive the burr cuts, which increases load on the motor, it's swings & roundabouts.

 

You haven't quantified "flimsyness" with a part life, or failure rate (which would be irrelevant, as this change was made prior to production).

 

Flimsy - unsubstantial, easily damaged. Your data on this comes from where?

 

My data on this comes from the Davecuk review, where he says that with the burr set B the grinder stalls. The reason for stalling is a motor of insufficent power and the consequence is self destruction. I said the Niche was flimsy with respect to the burr set B.

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Some of the above is pointless in some ways. Niche is not intended to be as wear robust as a commercial grinder. It's aim in life is simpler home use as their web site mentions. It looks to me that it succeeds in that respect. Spares will also be readily available so parts that can wear or get damaged can be replaced. I can hazard a guess as to which part I might find myself replacing first - doesn't worry me providing pricing isn't at a level that says buy another grinder. Eg I found some where far away that sells Sage O rings for around $10 each. Much cheaper than buying a new machine but clearly ridiculous. The cost of Dyson filters is very likely to cause me to stop buying the brand.

 

There has been a sort of query about motor protection. We know from comments that it's a 10k rpm motor which sets it's type, probably not brushless. Motor design is a pretty specialised subject but essentially a motor will try to take as much current as it needs to get it to turn. The limit is the resistance of the windings which for various reasons can't be too high related to the power the motor needs to provide and also it's size. So if one is stalled best thing to do is switch of quickly. Protection from stall currents isn't something I have often seen other than when it's been designed in. The result is a lot less power from the same volume of motor. Lots of things are protected from long term use or overloads of sufficient duration to cause the motor to heat up to worrying levels. The usual way is via the heat of the body of the motor. It generally y results in a fairly long period before it resets as motors can gain heat quickly but only loose it slowly. The manual suggests Niche uses that but who knows some one some where may have come up with a little box of tricks. Personally I would wonder about the use of a fuse.

 

John

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My data on this comes from the Davecuk review, where he says that with the burr set B the grinder stalls. The reason for stalling is a motor of insufficent power and the consequence is self destruction. I said the Niche was flimsy with respect to the burr set B.

 

Have you ever heard of the famous K30? Well it stalled like a [email protected] on light roasts and it kept happening over and over again, brand new grinder. It went as far as the roastery not using the PEAK on these roasts as it jammed it too. They have an EK43 for these kinds of roasts.

So please don't tell me about a 500pound grinder that jams with a set of TESTING burrs, no matter what burrs, its irrelevant, the end product works. That is just smearing from your part and a lapse in logic, that is all.

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For those that have used both. Is the Niche so much better that it justifies the extra £150.

 

I produce about 4 shots a day which from next week will be on a lelit Mara

 

Thanks

 

 

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on the look look out for a grinder myself. Drink mainly espresso but have recently got into drip etc. Thought about the Perfetto originally as I wanted an all purpose grinder and the larger burred Specialita is apparently a devil to go from espresso to drip grind size. Then I heard about the Niche and the ease with which one can go from fine to coarse. I definitely like the more fruity coffee but will try everything. Has anyone here had an experience with the perfetto; there are lots of niche reviews. Is it better quality at the coarser end than the fine?

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on the look look out for a grinder myself. Drink mainly espresso but have recently got into drip etc. Thought about the Perfetto originally as I wanted an all purpose grinder and the larger burred Specialita is apparently a devil to go from espresso to drip grind size. Then I heard about the Niche and the ease with which one can go from fine to coarse. I definitely like the more fruity coffee but will try everything. Has anyone here had an experience with the perfetto; there are lots of niche reviews. Is it better quality at the coarser end than the fine?

 

I would be focusing on the ease of use aspect of going from coarse to fine and back again with the niche.snd the subsequent saving of coffee through the lack of retention.

Both should make tasty drip when dialled in accordingly


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Sorry to start this thread again, I've narrowed my choice of grinders to these 2 + the new atom. Anyone got any insight/impressions of the new atom? I'm generally a lighter roasted coffee bean producing a espresso or a lattebor somewhere in between person.

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Sorry to start this thread again, I've narrowed my choice of grinders to these 2 + the new atom. Anyone got any insight/impressions of the new atom? I'm generally a lighter roasted coffee bean producing a espresso or a lattebor somewhere in between person.

Egglet

Is single dosing a primary concern to you? Do you want to chop and change beans over the course of the week or do you stick to one bean for a period of time.

The atom will be designed to run with some beans in the hopper.


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Not hugely so. Generally I put enough beans in the hopper to last me 2d or so. Haven't really tried single dosing so I can't comment much, but I don't really see myself doing it!

Would your suggestion likely then be the new atoms?

Egglet.

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Not hugely so. Generally I put enough beans in the hopper to last me 2d or so. Haven't really tried single dosing so I can't comment much, but I don't really see myself doing it!

Would your suggestion likely then be the new atoms?

Egglet.

 

Well that is one of the major features of the niche.

Niche , weight beans , add to grinder grind into a cup, transfer to pf.

Atom . grind direct into pf ( i would weigh dose from here, but you may not currently do that )

Probably a case of which suits your workflow better to me.


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I do currently weigh my pf for dosing, give a nice stir for the clumps, tamp and away we go.

Single dosing is an interesting proposition I have to say. But in terms of complaints about the atom I take it there isn't any?

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if it helps anyone here, I've had a chance to use the Specialita at length and I think its a superb little machine. So much so that i'll probably put my money where my mouth is and buy one.

 

Build quality is lovely, has a great solidity to it, and with the new touchscreen interface its a delight to use.

 

Grinds are fluffy, non clumpy and fast. In fact it seems to grind almost as fast as my Mazzer Super Jolly but with less mess and hassle.

 

Quiet, easy to adjust, good looking.... enough for me.

 

The niche doesn't do it for me, as it doesn't suit how I work with coffee. I always have a little coffee in a hopper and I tend to use the same blend day in day out, so for me being able to put 100g in the hopper of the specialita and just make small adjustments as I go, is much more my style.


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if it helps anyone here, I've had a chance to use the Specialita at length and I think its a superb little machine. So much so that i'll probably put my money where my mouth is and buy one.

 

Build quality is lovely, has a great solidity to it, and with the new touchscreen interface its a delight to use.

 

Grinds are fluffy, non clumpy and fast. In fact it seems to grind almost as fast as my Mazzer Super Jolly but with less mess and hassle.

 

Quiet, easy to adjust, good looking.... enough for me.

 

The niche doesn't do it for me, as it doesn't suit how I work with coffee. I always have a little coffee in a hopper and I tend to use the same blend day in day out, so for me being able to put 100g in the hopper of the specialita and just make small adjustments as I go, is much more my style.

 

Nice feeedback, they two grinders as you say suit different workflows and brew methods. That would be one of the primary reasons for choosing ne over another. If they workflow don't suit you , why buy a grinder that doesn't fit it.


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I tried my new Specialita out for the first time last night. Previously I've single dosed, weighing 17g of beans then grinding them in the Gaggia MDF. However, I do tend to work through one bag of beans at a time, so filling the Eureka hopper then just grinding as required will be a change but not a hardship. I'm retaining the MDF for grinding for coarser brews (saves making major adjustments to the Specialita, which would be a pain), so could easily adjust that for any single dosing requirements.

 

Loving the Specialita by the way, grinds are lovely and fluffy, no heavy clumping, and it's really quiet too. As Shrink says above, it's got a very solid feel to the build, is nicely weighty and looks great (I went for a chrome finish to match my Heavenly). Can't offer a comparison (other than to a very old Gaggia), but would happily recommend it.

 

Steve


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