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In realtà, come ha scritto @ Rob1, l'errore è solo mio perché sul sito di vendita ho letto, solo ora, che il modello è per il mercato inglese, ma posso dire che ci siamo scambiati delle e-mail con lui, e gli ho detto che era italiano e sapeva che lo avrebbe mandato in Italia, forse poteva ricordarmi di questa cosa Volt. Ma ripeto, colpa mia, ha fatto il venditore. Rimandalo indietro se il venditore accetta, significa costi di spedizione a mie spese, ma invece di avere una macchina GC che non uso, almeno ricevo parte dei soldi spesi. Da quello che ho letto capisco che non posso usarlo sfruttando appieno la sua potenza anche con qualsiasi mod. È giusto quello che dico?:(:(:(:(

 

Sorry for my trouble on this forum, unfortunately I feel very frustrated and stupid, and thank you very much for the patience, explanations and help you are giving me

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I was under the impression when the powers that be decided to standardise the whole of the EU to 230v, they put decided a 10v variance was acceptable so the infrastructure didn't have to change.

I believe the -6% +10% of 230v to be the correct explanation. A typical EC fudge! ;)

UK voltage is mostly somewhere around 240v, here it's nearer 245v.


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I believe the -6% +10% of 230v to be the correct explanation. A typical EC fudge! ;)

UK voltage is mostly somewhere around 240v, here it's nearer 245v.

 

Whereas for me, I seldom get 240V. It’s usually around 236V.

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Il gruppo di riscaldamento da solo ti costerà £ 74 ....

 

https://www.bellabarista.co.uk/coffee-roasters-for-sale/coffee-roasters/genecafe-230v-heater-box-cra97- 003A. html

 

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Hai ragione, purtroppo ho riscaldato un errore molto grave, tuttavia, anche un riscaldatore come quello che dici non dovrebbe essere buono perché è ancora alto 230V, invece di 220V. Ma in questo caso dovrei cambiare anche l'alimentatore oltre al riscaldamento? Confuso :: confuso:

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If the OP purchased a UK gene with a 240V element and is using it in a 230 or 220V country...yeah it will run a bit cooler...Also there was a change of firmware for the UK machines and I don't know for sure if the same firmware is worldwide now. I still am not sure, because the simply act of looking at the rating sticker on the back has not been done, or a photo posted?

 

I see quote about things people think I did. for clarity the story is:

 

Originally Genes were sold in the UK with the standard 230V heating element....These kept failing and also ran hot in the UK which caused other problems with the Gene. The market effectively died for the roaster, killed off by the use of the wrong heating element. A few years later Genesis wanted to try again and sent me a Gene, it was still too hot and I asked them to make a 240V model, plus some other small changes. They kept telling me our voltage was 230V and I kept explaining to them that it was not....due to the voltage harmonisation fudge..

 

They finally manufactured a 240V element, I also insisted that the element was lifed for well over 1000 hrs, they actually built one specced to run for 2000 hours. However that isn't a warranty claim, it's just the spec it was manufactured to. This is why, unless abused, Gene Cafe 240V heating elements tend to never fail and their life will probably exceed every other component in the roaster. The 240V element runs considerably cooler (when it's on) than the 230V at our voltage...this means it will be on longer and switch less. Remember by cooler I mean instead of perhaps 600C, it might run at 450 or 500C at the wire.

 

I can't remember, but I think they might make a 100V 110V and 220V element, but not sure about the last. The sheer stupidity of the company (or Hubris), has prevented them from taking my further advice to do only 2 heating elements A 100V and a 200V, using a digital voltage regulator, set so that whichever country a dipswitch is set to prevent the element going over the max design power at that countries voltage. Plus an extra control at the front allowing power regulation as a % 0 - 110% (anything over 100% being overboost in cold weather).

 

However I sort of moved on from Genesis as there is little interest in me for a company that simply takes no notice of suggestions to significantly improve their products. I modded my CBR1200 roaster as well and sent them details, they also didn't bother with that (spoils the ship for a hapeth o tar). There was some talk of a 500gm model, but I think that may have died on the Vine.....which is a shame as a 500g Gene with power control built in is exactly what the home market needs and could be a relatively easy scale up of the little gene.


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Non Sono Pratico nel forum e ho potuto INVIARE l'allegato Dallo smartphone non

 

 

C'è una possibilità che non è troppo costoso per essere in grado di utilizzare il 100%?

Tre anni fa ho modificato un popper e sono andato avanti con questo, ora che volevo crescere un po 'ho commesso questo errore. A questo punto proverei ad averlo, se possibile e se le mie possibilità mi permettessero, di averlo al 100%.

Può essere? Come?

 

And they also make a 220V version:

http://genecafe.com/pud/index.php?group_code=pud&category_id=120&p_cate_id=118&m_id=94

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Il gruppo di riscaldamento da solo ti costerà £ 74 ....

 

https://www.bellabarista.co.uk/coffee-roasters-for-sale/coffee-roasters/genecafe-230v-heater-box-cra97- 003A. html

 

[/ QUOTE]

 

 

Hai ragione, purtroppo ho riscaldato un errore molto grave, tuttavia, anche un riscaldatore come quello che dici non dovrebbe essere buono perché è ancora alto 230V, invece di 220V. Ma in questo caso dovrei cambiare anche l'alimentatore oltre al riscaldamento? Confuso :: confuso:

 

Escusa mio italiano, non ho parlato fa più di 8 anni, i parlo meglio don chi iscrivo.

 

Allora, lo no so si è necessario di cambiare anche il alimentatore. Io hanno due o tre stampi che o fato due mese fa quando lo tengono aperto però non mi ricordo si hai di cambiare.

 

Excuse my Italian. It’s pretty bad. I’ll get back to you.

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There’s a component there which reads 240V. I think it’s the power supply / transformer.... (top left sort of thing) but not sure if it’s necessary to replace if you change the element....

 

 

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Escusa mio italiano, non ho parlato fa più di 8 anni, io parlo meglio don chi iscrivo.

 

Allora, lo so no è necessario di cambiare anche l'alimentatore. Ho dovuto due o tre mesi a causa di un mese fa però aperto non mi ricordo si hai di cambiare.

 

Scusa il mio italiano. È piuttosto brutto. Tornerò da te. [/ QUOTE]

 

 

Non è per niente brutto il tuo italiano,

Thank you, very kind to write in Italian

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C'è un componente che legge 240V. Penso che sia l'alimentatore / trasformatore .... (in alto a sinistra) ma non sono sicuro che sia necessario sostituire se cambi l'elemento ....

 

 

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Woww MediumRoastSteam , grande, spero che non sia nemmeno per cambiare anche questo. Per ora sto aspettando di confermare che un riscaldatore a 220V può funzionare al 100% con il mio setup E poi devo farlo

 

 

Godetevi il vostro pasto:bene:

 

 

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He can just change the element for a 230V one and reseal the heater box


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Può semplicemente cambiare l'elemento per uno 230V e richiudere la scatola del riscaldatore [/ QUOTE]

 

 

Thanks Dave, can you confirm that with a 230V I can follow most of the profiles that I read here? Minute more minute less clearly.

Last thing because not one from 220V?

My questions are just to understand better

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If they use a simple scr voltage regulator they might have problems meeting emission tests. Might have to be the zero switching type to meet the regs.

 

The volts thing is odd. There was an attempt to standardise across the EU. It didn't prove to be a practical option so in real terms all countries voltages as far as I am aware are as they used to be. Being curious I did a bit of a search. :This is from the Bundestag

 

The values ​​220/380 Volt can only be used with the standardacceptable tolerances.At the 220-

Voltage supply were agreed to deviations from

± 10 percent allowed, the operating voltage was allowed between

198 volts and 242 volts are.The new nominal voltage of

230 volts will last for a transitional period until 2003

Tolerance of + 6 / - 10 percent, ie operating voltages between

207 volts and 243.8 volts.From 2003, a tole-

ration of ± 10 percent.In the next few years will be different

the maximum operating voltage so practically not.

According to the Association of German Electricity Companies

97 percent of all customers already use the new tolerance

adhered to.By 1992, the adjustment is 100 percent

achieved

 

 

It seems the +/- 10% never happened even on later attempts.. The +6% - 10% isn't exactly a fudge really. It means that people who need to know what the limits are now know. Believe it or not that is an improvement.

 

John

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To original poster get 230V element.

 

To John, just to keep it simple, nothing changed in the UK for our power supply just words. Same for most countries with a national grid. Sort of has to be that way for technical reasons.


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I contacted the seller who told me that he will contact Gene Caffè for greater clarity,

but he also told me that he intends to send one 230 volts for free, but wants back the 240V.

It seems very correct, considering that the mistake was mine at the start.

I'll let you know

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He can just change the element for a 230V one and reseal the heater box

@DavecUK I thought it wasn't possible to just buy the element but did think it aught to be. So ???

 

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@DavecUK I thought it wasn't possible to just buy the element but did think it aught to be. So ???

 

John

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I mean reseal the heater box where it attaches to the rest of the roaster, otherwise hot air leaks and it can cause damage. you cannot buy just the wire element, you have to buy the heater box


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I mean reseal the heater box where it attaches to the rest of the roaster, otherwise hot air leaks and it can cause damage. you cannot buy just the wire element, you have to buy the heater box

 

I take it you mean where the heater box fits into the "nozzle". No signs of any need to seal in their video. ( At about 2min in )

 

 

I should be able to get back to my Gene later this week. Ordered some shelving to make room for it in my mmmm microscope area. I can't use all of those at the same time so some can be stuck on a shelf.

 

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I contacted the seller who told me that he will contact Gene Caffè for greater clarity,

but he also told me that he intends to send one 230 volts for free, but wants back the 240V.

It seems very correct, considering that the mistake was mine at the start.

I'll let you know

 

Doesn't surprise me their customer service is excellent. I would reckon it was a genuine mistake sending you the 240v one. I can't explain what has occurred to mine and why but after I fitted the 230v unit temperatures rose on roasts. But after approx a month they have risen further and are now close to the profiles in the manual produced by DavecUK. I think especially after you read Dave's experience with Genesis you have to accept that the Genecafe is a compromise home user solution. I am very pleased with mine and understand that at the price level there is going to be compromises.


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I take it you mean where the heater box fits into the "nozzle". No signs of any need to seal in their video. ( At about 2min in )

 

 

I do get fed up restating things just because you have seen a video. I'm stating how it should be done, I don't care how GeneCafe USA do it. Are you actually trying to help this person, or just argue about stuff you don't know too much about, or only know in theory?

 

1. It's in the service manual produced by Genesis who make the roaster (see below and take the wording with a pinch of salt, it's high temperature RTV, so silicone like in a bathroom won't work)

2. I know what the hell I am talking about and they come sealed from the factory

3. I've done a few heater boxes in my time

4. Genesis don't exactly always know best about their product, I thought I had explained that already.

 

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As you can guess I am running out of patience.


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Patience ?? If some one wanted to replace the heater they may well look at that video as I did. Might I add another suggestion - get the RTV from a motor factors as small tubes of the correct stuff should be available. RTV is wonderful stuff but if overheated it reverts the result is called sand and not all RTV's are equal.

 

You might guess I can get annoyed too.

 

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Sto ancora aspettando l'arrivo del nuovo riscaldatore,

spero che arriverà presto:in attesa:

 

Let us know how you get on installing it! All the best and good luck!

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