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Linea Mini vs Vesuvius  

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  1. 1. Linea Mini vs Vesuvius

    • Linea Mini
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    • Vesuvius
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Which would you choose?

I have managed to acquire both at the same price and need to make a decision on which to keep.

Had the LM for about 6 months and just set up the Vesuvius and pulled the first few shots.

Clearly quite different machines in some respects and imagine there will be some clear views on preference.

Going to spend a few weeks with both and I’ll post my findings and thoughts as I experiment more!

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LM Linea Mini, Mythos

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Looking forward to your impressions, there'll be no owners goggles involved.

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Looking forward to your impressions, there'll be no owners goggles involved.

 

Ha ha actually by virtue of the fact he owns both machines there will be


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Never used either of the machines, but the plastic paddle on the linea bothers me (irrationally so, when I see it in videos). So my vote would be for the V on looks alone.

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If you can turn the pressure down on the mini to 6 bar flat , then that would probably do for me. I like the look of the Linea , despite having owned a V , i never fell in love with the looks.

Either should make amazing coffee.


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Never used either of the machines, but the plastic paddle on the linea bothers me (irrationally so, when I see it in videos). So my vote would be for the V on looks alone.

Looks line a mens urinal .... you may like that though :)

Looks like the wood finish on the V has changed from the original models ( it was shite on mine and i changed it )


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If you can turn the pressure down on the mini to 6 bar flat , then that would probably do for me. I like the look of the Linea , despite having owned a V , i never fell in love with the looks.

Either should make amazing coffee.

 

yes I’ve been running the mini at 7 bar, might give 6 a try


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yes I’ve been running the mini at 7 bar, might give 6 a try

Ok then i suggest you use the V to try and run long pre infusions .

You can seriously drop the water debit on the v by playing around with the pump settings too .


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Just realised you can actually vote LOL. This poll will be interesting;-)


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Ok then i suggest you use the V to try and run long pre infusions .

You can seriously drop the water debit on the v by playing around with the pump settings too .

 

Thanks. I’ll look into that. Have been considering reducing the debit on the LM with the smaller gicleur but haven’t been brave enough to try it yet.


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Thanks. I’ll look into that. Have been considering reducing the debit on the LM with the smaller gicleur but haven’t been brave enough to try it yet.

I replaced the one on the V and put in a different shower screen to give it a bit more headroom. Its was a Kees screen.

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Why not junk them both and buy a lever, after all, these pressure profiling machines always eventually settle on mimicking a lever profile!

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Does anyone have a view on the longevity / maintenance requirements / common issues for the V? The linea mini is rock solid and feels like very little can go wrong (especially given the simplicity). Interested to hear others’ views


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Does anyone have a view on the longevity / maintenance requirements / common issues for the V? The linea mini is rock solid and feels like very little can go wrong (especially given the simplicity). Interested to hear others’ views

 

They have replaced the old combined pressurestat safety valve with separate units due to reliability issues when used with hard water and steam boiler on most of the time, there is a retrofit available (often given free) that may have been done on most early machines. So this isn't an area for problems any more (at least no more than on any other machine). I still have the old unit, but with the water I use, it has not give any problems. There was some production issues where a particular solenoid could block (the one controlling the separation between brew and steam boilers) which could split a PTFE tube, this was solved ages ago. So these were the early production issues.

 

The other area that has given the odd problem is the display plug comes loose and or text/1 colour can disappear from the display. In some instances it's definitely a bad connection on or other end of the ribbon cable (loose plug etc.), In others it might be the little display panel itself. Unfortunately diagnostics are not often done by the retailers. My own display no longer does the bluish colour properly, it's either a failed LED or a bad connection on the ribbon cable/plug. As it doesn't really affect anything and I tend to use the green display as normal on mine and it all looks normal, I have not bothered about it..

 

These have been the main issues on the forum that seem to come up. I have not had any problems with mine in the 3.5 years I have owned it (and had to do zero maintenance apart from inspection/dusting). Other than these areas, the V doesn't really have any other common issues and when I say common I do mean only a few....not that many, so "most" owners don't get these problems. The pumps, seem to have been rock solid as does the main electronics and they don't tend to be leaky machines, due to the use of PTFE piping in the main and decent o rings on the boiler heating elements.

 

Also don't be fooled by the prosumer/commercial grade thing with the Vesuvius, unlike most prosumer machines it mostly commercial grade stuff, well tried and tested over the years.

 

1. Ochrestrale control board (well respected 3 group commercial board) and the sensors used are all commercial grade as they work with this board.

2. Stainless steel solenoid valves (not brass)

3. Commercial Gear pump with steel gears and not the cheapest version of this pump (cheaper versions of the same pump is made, with less expensive seals/bearings and one with plastic teeth)

4. PTFE high pressure tubing with larger internal diameter than usual in prosumer machines. It may look the same grade as a Quickmill or a Verona but there is a world of difference

5. Front panel is around 4mm thick (including reinforcement) where the group is supported

6. Steel on rest of machine is 2 x thickness of prosumer machines

7. Boilers are 316S low corrosion surgical steel and 2mm thick with 12mm end plates (again you won't find the like in a prosumer machine, not thickness or grade

8. Pressure is controlled via a PID

 

So reliability should not really be an issue long term, but as with all machines, certain maintenance areas eventually go wrong, vacuum breakers have to be replaced, group gaskets need replacement, limit stats might eventually get over sensitive, etc.. The one advantage is if used as intended the V has much lower operating temperatures within it's very roomy case. This is good for reliability...

 

The main thing to consider is that the V and the LM are different machines. One is a DB the other a DB with pressure profiling. I use: a long 17s 2 bar preinfusion, followed by8s 10 bar.... 9 s 9 bar....8s 8 bar....3s 7 bar. I use a low pump acceleration, so it moves to these pressures more gradually, so think of them as peaks on a curve. I use these as my go to and they work really well with the 18g VST that Dave Kidd kindly gave me. In fact I use the VST with naked portafilter all the time now.

 

I hope the information above helps in your decision.

 

P.S. With a walk up shot no flushing, temps do seem spot on (when I measure them) with the V. This is measured at 93.5 set, which is the brew temp I prefer (mine has the offset as described in the user guide).

 

P.P.S I never liked the wood finish, glad they moved back to phenolic resin finish and the same portafilter as on the Verona (those are very nice).

Edited by DavecUK

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Thanks @DavecUK, very helpful and informative (as was the user manual)

I’ll do some more research on the advanced settings, but would you mind letting me know which parameter controls the pump acceleration and what you set it to?

I’m not sure if you implied it above, but the LM is a DB also, not a HX


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Thanks @DavecUK, very helpful and informative (as was the user manual)

I’ll do some more research on the advanced settings, but would you mind letting me know which parameter controls the pump acceleration and what you set it to?

I’m not sure if you implied it above, but the LM is a DB also, not a HX

 

I've corrected the text re DB/HX, I had HX on the brain thinking about reliability and heat vs other prosumer machines and dual boilers. It meant to say the difference between the machines was pressure profiling.

 

 

PWM kP = 10.5, 0.24, 90 (this is the PID settings for pressure

PWM Max Accel = 300 (this is my setting for pump acceleration)

 

To get into settings turn V off on touch screen, then touch top left of touch screen for about 7 seconds.

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I'd go with the Vesuvius :)


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Quite a few consecutive shots might differentiate these machines I’d guess - with the LM doing better?


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Defo get the restrictors for the LM

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Quite a few consecutive shots might differentiate these machines I’d guess - with the LM doing better?

 

Yes the LM is a real workhorse, no doubt about that. Able to cope in low volume commercial settings. Less of an issue for me as i mainly make coffee for just myself. Although it does give me the ability start a coffee cart business if I want... nahhhh


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Defo get the restrictors for the LM

Does it make a noticeable difference?


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Depends on what you read and how much weight you put in it. After speaking to LM I was told they fitted an 0.8mm one to avoid issues if the cleaning schedule / water quality isn't good, with the 0.6 being more susceptible to clogging it either of those two situations are met. I've had zero issues with the body/mouth feel of shots (which is what some say it improves) with the 0.8mm one and see little to no reason in changing it. In the time I've had it (not long) the equasion has been s**t coffee in, s**t coffee out. When I've used better beans its been as good as any I've had.

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My Vesuvius is number 7. I’ve only had to change one waterline with a pin hole leak. Has worked flawlessly, virtually everyday since it arrived 3+ years ago.

 

I customised the handles with some beautiful hand turned oiled wood that looks the business. (See Xpenno’s ‘I’ve got wood’ thread.). This really lifted the machine in my opinion.

 

A short flush makes temperature more consistent but it’s an E61 group not a saturated one.


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