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Spring cleaning this morning...

Would have been a more informative post if the forum wasn’t all ballsed up. 

 

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Wow, you got total retention of almost 1.1g that's 0.4g more than I measured for my review! It's very clean though ;)

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Wow, you got total retention of almost 1.1g that's 0.4g more than I measured for my review! It's very clean though


Yeah, it’s been a while... so satisfying though and really easy. Calibration remains bang on.

Only 0.6g lost on first use, post cleaning.


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On 11/12/2015 at 21:05, NickR said:

Another thing that absolutely should be done at least once a month for tank fed machines is to empty and wash the reservoir. Both the shower screen and the reservoir stay pretty clean on an L1, but an E61 based HX machine is really grimey after a few weeks.

I realise that this is an old post, hope nobody minds me resurrecting it with a (potentially) dumb question. The cleaning regime being discussed I wholly agree with, but could somebody explain where the reservoir would generally be please? I have a Fracino Heavenly, but can't find any mention of reservoirs on the schematic, and must admit I'm not entirely sure where I'd find it, much less how I would clean it. 

Thanks,

        Steve


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4 minutes ago, Steve_S_T said:

I realise that this is an old post, hope nobody minds me resurrecting it with a (potentially) dumb question. The cleaning regime being discussed I wholly agree with, but could somebody explain where the reservoir would generally be please? I have a Fracino Heavenly, but can't find any mention of reservoirs on the schematic, and must admit I'm not entirely sure where I'd find it, much less how I would clean it. 

Thanks,

        Steve

You have to take the top off....lots of screws and then you can see the reservoir. The wires at the bottom (for low water level electrical connection) have to be disconnected then the thing can be removed for cleaning. If I remember rightly you can do it without taking the body panel off. Getting the top back on can be a ballache as the body panel likes to pop out from one side as you get the other side in. Why fracino decided to make the internal reservoir essentially non removable without some machine disassembly is beyond me.

 

The reservoir should be cleaned once per week, or at most once every 2 weeks. Often the white internal reservoir has stained nut brown due to never having been cleaned...it's absolutely disgusting ;)


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1 hour ago, DavecUK said:

You have to take the top off....lots of screws and then you can see the reservoir. The wires at the bottom (for low water level electrical connection) have to be disconnected then the thing can be removed for cleaning. If I remember rightly you can do it without taking the body panel off. Getting the top back on can be a ballache as the body panel likes to pop out from one side as you get the other side in. Why fracino decided to make the internal reservoir essentially non removable without some machine disassembly is beyond me.

 

The reservoir should be cleaned once per week, or at most once every 2 weeks. Often the white internal reservoir has stained nut brown due to never having been cleaned...it's absolutely disgusting ;)

So when you say reservoir, are you talking about the tank then, aka the sweet jar in the case of the Heavenly?

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Yes


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15 minutes ago, DavecUK said:

Yes

Thanks Dave, that makes sense now. I've taken the lid off many times, and I'd say it's close to impossible so to do without the side panel popping out :-) 

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On 09/12/2015 at 13:38, DavecUK said:

You have had your shiny new machine for a week now, perhaps longer...or perhaps you bought it a while ago. it may have cost you the thick end of £2000 to £2500 or more for machine and grinder. You are looking at things to improve the coffee, perhaps a refractometer, new tamper, different basket, better cups, different coffees, better jug, timer, expensive scales. Yes you name it and there is a product on the market just waiting to relieve you of your hard earned readies.

 

To all this frippery above....I say NO, first make sure you're cleaning the machine and portafilter properly. Get those hands out of your pockets and onto the machine to give it a bit of TLC. Here is my guide for the absolute minimum cleaning regime for any E61 or E61type machine...e.g. those pumped machines with a portafilter handle, basket and 3 way valve.

 

How often should you follow this cleaning regime clean = Every 2 - 3 days and daily for the portafilter handle and basket.

 

 

 

  • Remove handle, remove basket. Clean both sides of basket with a non stick scrubby and detergent.
  • Clean portafilter handle (bowl) as above
  • Clean hole and spout/s with a small bottle brush and detergent
  • remove shower screen, clean both sides of basket with a non stick scrubby and detergent, be gentle on gasket if still attached to screen
  • Clean inside group, dispersion plate and gasket groove etc..with a non stick scrubby and detergent, be gentle.
  • Inspect group gasket, of flexible and not cracked continue to use. If hard and/or cracked...replace it you cheapskate. In general gaskets should be replaced every 9 -12 months on HX machines and every 12-15 months on dual boiler machines, regardless of condition.

 

 

Backflushing with cleaner doesn't really get any of this clean and it's main function is to clean the group venting system.

 

I know it seems excessive, but it's not and you will taste the difference, if you can't, then you should never waste your money on expensive coffee! You wouldn't use the same cup for 2 days would you, or the same spoon, people spend 1000s on acessories and kit, but many don't bother with the cleaning?

 

P.S. This is a less than 5m job, if it's taking you longer...you're doing it wrong.

Hi Dave, can you tell me how to remove the shower screen on the lelit bianca please.


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6 minutes ago, Obidi said:

Hi Dave, can you tell me how to remove the shower screen on the lelit bianca please.

Of course I can, I thought it was in the userguide I wrote, but I suspect you don't have that.

 


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6 minutes ago, DavecUK said:

Of course I can, I thought it was in the userguide I wrote, but I suspect you don't have that.

 

Thanks Dave, this is he minima, is it the same procedure for the bianca?

 


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1 minute ago, Obidi said:

Thanks Dave, this is he minima, is it the same procedure for the bianca?

 

I wouldn't have posted this is it wasn't?


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3 minutes ago, DavecUK said:

I wouldn't have posted this is it wasn't?

Brilliant, thank you.


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I just cleaned my Bianca after 2 weeks of use, shower screen was pretty clean as I backflush daily, little bit of dirt/oil on the dispersion plate. Now it looks like brand new again, was easier than I thought too.

Thanks for the guide Dave.


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On 24/05/2019 at 15:56, Obidi said:

Brilliant, thank you.

Instead of using a spoon you can use the edge of your basket too...


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Back of spoon is far easier, less sharper


SAGE IS NOT A UPGRADE

 

 

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Cleaned the shower screen on the bianca. It was brown, but now all shiny and clean along with the gubbins above (dispersion plate?) Thanks again Dave.  I backflushed too, but not with the puly caff cleaner. The last time I did that, the lever was a little squeaky afterwards and I haven't got the courage to dismantle the lever to lubricate it. 😞

 


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2 minutes ago, Obidi said:

Cleaned the shower screen on the bianca. It was brown, but now all shiny and clean along with the gubbins above (dispersion plate?) Thanks again Dave.  I backflushed too, but not with the puly caff cleaner. The last time I did that, the lever was a little squeaky afterwards and I haven't got the courage to dismantle the lever to lubricate it. 😞

 

You should clean with Puly and remove the lever+cam for cleaning. If you don't you will get problems and it can affect taste.

http://coffeetime.wikidot.com/e61-lubrication

There is even a video to show you how.

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You really should Grease your lever and cam it's a must, for longevity.


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You should clean with Puly and remove the lever+cam for cleaning. If you don't you will get problems and it can affect taste.
http://coffeetime.wikidot.com/e61-lubrication
There is even a video to show you how.

That’s a great video - thanks to@DavecUK for so clearly showing how it’s done - but the “music”?!? My ears have only just stopped bleeding!


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1 hour ago, salty said:


That’s a great video - thanks to@DavecUK for so clearly showing how it’s done - but the “music”?!? My ears have only just stopped bleeding!


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Glad to see you focussing on what's important....sure to spur me on to make more helpful videos....

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20 hours ago, DavecUK said:

You should clean with Puly and remove the lever+cam for cleaning. If you don't you will get problems and it can affect taste.

http://coffeetime.wikidot.com/e61-lubrication

There is even a video to show you how.

Hi @DavecUK I now have taken the cam out to lubricate and can't get it back in.

 


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1 hour ago, Obidi said:

Hi @DavecUK I now have taken the cam out to lubricate and can't get it back in.

 

The cam finally went back in, needed lots of wiggling and trying to locate until everything would screw back in. Not as easy as the vids suggest, but in nevertheless.


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Sometimes it goes straight in other times takes 10/15 minutes.


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If it's really hard you can always release some tension by partly undoing the lower part of the group....but I don't generally have too much trouble getting the cam in. Besides the vids don't lie, that was a walk up and shoot with no rehearsals.


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