Jump to content
Norberto

To PID or not to PID, that is the question...

Recommended Posts

I have decided that Silvia will be my first decent espresso machine at home, and will be paired with a Baratza Vario. Now the next question is, should I go PID or not for this single boiler. I am a 95% espresso drinker, with the occasional macchiato (italian short style!). I live in Mexico, but I can get a brand new Silvia with PID from the states without voiding the warranty, or course for an extra 250 bucks! what do you say?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Do it!


Lots of everything: machines, grinders, roaster, beans, tampers, baskets, blah, blah

However - Too much is never enough!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

would the PID be fitted inside the existing Silvias housing or in a box on the side ?

 

If its not in a box on the side id consider it, but the exchange rate (if ive worked it out correct) means this will cost about an extra £165.

 

integral = worth it

rancilio-silvia-pid 1.jpg

external = not worth it

silvia pid 2.jpg

Edited by Jumbo Ratty

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
would the PID be fitted inside the existing Silvias housing or in a box on the side ?

 

If its not in a box on the side id consider it, but the exchange rate (if ive worked it out correct) means this will cost about an extra £165.

 

the small Auber PID controller sits right next to the brewhead. The pre infusion aspect of the PID is alluring.

 

silvia_whitepid02_1.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I totally agree with the PID being a worthy addition, especially with the pre infusion. Just if i was paying someone to fit it I would want it set internally considering it can be done.

 

Is that some trunking to the left side of the PID ? if so that looks clumsy to me

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I totally agree with the PID being a worthy addition, especially with the pre infusion. Just if i was paying someone to fit it I would want it set internally considering it can be done.

 

Is that some trunking to the left side of the PID ? if so that looks clumsy to me

 

I am not sure what that is, it looks awfully sluggish to me. Maybe I should just get it stock, enjoy the honeymoon and then try to fit one in myself as many have done here... the pre infusion is the feature which is tempting me...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The pre-infusion does nothing that your finger can't.

 

It simply turns the brew switch off and then on again - and anyone can do that with the switch on the front.

 

IMO the pre-infusion isn't what makes a PID interesting at all, it's the accurate temp control.

 

If you're concerned with the aesthetics then fit the PID externally, but on the back of the machine - out of sight. You set and forget most of the time anyway, and I don't think I've touched the PID on my Classic (or my Duetto) for months.


Lots of everything: machines, grinders, roaster, beans, tampers, baskets, blah, blah

However - Too much is never enough!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The pre-infusion does nothing that your finger can't.

 

It simply turns the brew switch off and then on again - and anyone can do that with the switch on the front.

 

IMO the pre-infusion isn't what makes a PID interesting at all, it's the accurate temp control.

 

If you're concerned with the aesthetics then fit the PID externally, but on the back of the machine - out of sight. You set and forget most of the time anyway, and I don't think I've touched the PID on my Classic (or my Duetto) for months.

 

this, all day long.

 

I PID'd my Silvia and it was the best thing I did in the 2.5yrs of ownership. Removes so much of the faff and markedly improved my chances of getting a decent shot on a regular basis.


Rocket Giotto Evo 2, Zenith 65e

 

I know what the problem is now.... it's me !

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The pre-infusion does nothing that your finger can't.

 

It simply turns the brew switch off and then on again - and anyone can do that with the switch on the front.

 

IMO the pre-infusion isn't what makes a PID interesting at all, it's the accurate temp control.

 

If you're concerned with the aesthetics then fit the PID externally, but on the back of the machine - out of sight. You set and forget most of the time anyway, and I don't think I've touched the PID on my Classic (or my Duetto) for months.

 

this PID actually takes over the controls (manual switches) since is has timers so I am not sure that having it in the back is the best option. How does the PID work when frothing milk? Must if be shut off or deactivated to raise temp in the boiler and then switch back on for the brewing?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've fitted my PID like the one in @Norberto's pic (no idea what that rubber bit is though) and while I haven't touched it for ages I like being able to see the temp for when I'm getting back down after steaming milk for the wife.

 

Saved me a massive amount of time surfing every morning and improved my consistency (still rubbish but another variable removed at least). Never regretted not getting the pre-infusion model either.


Rancilio Silvia --> V60 --> Mazzer Mini --> 18g VST basket --> 58mm Motta Tamper --> Acaia Scales.

Drink it black and prefer the Lighter Side of Life.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
this PID actually takes over the controls (manual switches) since is has timers so I am not sure that having it in the back is the best option. How does the PID work when frothing milk? Must if be shut off or deactivated to raise temp in the boiler and then switch back on for the brewing?

 

For preinfusion, the PID will be controllable so that you can set timers - yes - but this simply means that it controls the brew switch for you rather than you pressing it with your finger, so the brew switch is automatically "on" for X seconds, and then automatically "off" for Y seconds, and then automatically on again for the main extraction until you turn the switch off. As I said, it's nothing that you can't do by pressing the brew switch on the front on/off manually.

 

When steaming you'll simply flick the steam switch on the machine, and the PID will control the steam temp to your pre-set steam temperature so that you can steam milk. When you've finished steaming, then you turn steam off on the machine and the PID will allow the boiler to cool to your set brew temperature.

 

As I said, once set up you don't really need to even touch the PID (certainly not daily) - though it's a useful temp display to look at now and again.


Lots of everything: machines, grinders, roaster, beans, tampers, baskets, blah, blah

However - Too much is never enough!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No trunking, it is just a funny reflection of the grooved housing for the PID on the grouphead! I just finally figured it out!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
this, all day long.

 

I PID'd my Silvia and it was the best thing I did in the 2.5yrs of ownership. Removes so much of the faff and markedly improved my chances of getting a decent shot on a regular basis.

 

This interests me, wavering at upgrading or Pid at the moment myself.

Can you expand on how it helped, in technique & the cup, what you have now, why and at what point you exceeded the pidded Silvia. (Hands microphone over).


esto tambien pasara.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
This interests me, wavering at upgrading or Pid at the moment myself.

Can you expand on how it helped, in technique & the cup, what you have now, why and at what point you exceeded the pidded Silvia. (Hands microphone over).

 

1. You have a controllable and consistent temperature to work with and as we know, as we know one of the big plus points on more expensive machines is temp stability. A PID can only help.

2. You can easily experiment with up/down temps for different beans.

2. Less wasted water flushing, less time emptying the drip tray (or in my case a plastic tupperware container).

3. Easier and more consistent steam meaning better milk texturing.

 

Since PIDing the Silvia, after getting used to the slightly different but easier process, shots were routinely good or great because it removes some of the margin for error in one of the key variables.

 

Yes an Auber PID can seem expensive on the face of it but it makes the Silvia a much better machine and if you add the PID, OK you won't get all of what you paid back when / if you upgrade to a new machine but it does enhance the 2nd hand value of your Silvia.

 

I have now upgraded to a 2nd hand Rocket Giotto Evo 2, mainly because it was a good deal, it is shiny, I have always wanted an E61 group (temp stability ;) ), it is shiny and I'm doing more coffee's these days so the HX capabilities of the Rocket helps. It is also very shiny !

 

Joking aside, after only a couple of days I have already noticed an improvement in the cup from the Silvia but you would expect that. It can only get better as I learn to get the best out of the Rocket. That said, shots from my Silvia with a PID, provided you get all the other variables right, were often good and sometimes great. I still think it's a good little machine.


Rocket Giotto Evo 2, Zenith 65e

 

I know what the problem is now.... it's me !

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1. You have a controllable and consistent temperature to work with and as we know, as we know one of the big plus points on more expensive machines is temp stability. A PID can only help.

2. You can easily experiment with up/down temps for different beans.

2. Less wasted water flushing, less time emptying the drip tray (or in my case a plastic tupperware container).

3. Easier and more consistent steam meaning better milk texturing.

 

Since PIDing the Silvia, after getting used to the slightly different but easier process, shots were routinely good or great because it removes some of the margin for error in one of the key variables.

 

Yes an Auber PID can seem expensive on the face of it but it makes the Silvia a much better machine and if you add the PID, OK you won't get all of what you paid back when / if you upgrade to a new machine but it does enhance the 2nd hand value of your Silvia.

 

I have now upgraded to a 2nd hand Rocket Giotto Evo 2, mainly because it was a good deal, it is shiny, I have always wanted an E61 group (temp stability ;) ), it is shiny and I'm doing more coffee's these days so the HX capabilities of the Rocket helps. It is also very shiny !

 

Joking aside, after only a couple of days I have already noticed an improvement in the cup from the Silvia but you would expect that. It can only get better as I learn to get the best out of the Rocket. That said, shots from my Silvia with a PID, provided you get all the other variables right, were often good and sometimes great. I still think it's a good little machine.

 

Nice one, the rocket is indeed shiny

 

So looking back, would you dispense with the PID stage and just go straight to the rocket?


esto tambien pasara.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Getting the Silvia, PIDing it and then upgrading to the Rocket was the right thing to do for me personally. We're all different though, some are more bothered about the pursuit of coffee nirvana. Budget, development of my "journey" through coffee, keeping the wife happy etc all played a part. Some want it sooner or have less limiting factors in their life. I don't regret the route I took, it's been and still is educational and fun. Who knows, this may not be the end for me.. :)


Rocket Giotto Evo 2, Zenith 65e

 

I know what the problem is now.... it's me !

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

+1 for PID. If you decide your hobby warrants an upgrade then a PID'd machine will hold value well and sell easily.


Profitec 700 | Compak E8

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Have seen this one before and I must admit it's a interesting idea even though is there a issue with heat transfer from the boiler???. Its this or the Auber PID system. A PID on a Silvia does get glowing reviews from owners. Some shops(not UK) will in house PID their new Silvia which won't knacker the warranty.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Have seen this one before and I must admit it's a interesting idea even though is there a issue with heat transfer from the boiler???. Its this or the Auber PID system. A PID on a Silvia does get glowing reviews from owners. Some shops(not UK) will in house PID their new Silvia which won't knacker the warranty.

 

Looking at getting a Silvia and would be interested in the PID, any links to the shops that house the PID before shipping ?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

interested myself also, they really should be someone in the uk jumping on this to pid peoples machines

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just get the Auber pid. Disable pre infusion. It don't work on a Silvia anyway due to the water valve drain off. And set steam temps to 295/293 (Fahrenheit) and your done.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
interested myself also, they really should be someone in the uk jumping on this to pid peoples machines

I agree entirely. I've posted this on here but you're the first to agree on this point with me.

To a certain extent it wouldn't bother me if the warranty was voided as long as the PID was professionally installed.....

Any offers?


ACS Minima, Niche Zero and a VST 18g ridged basket.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Having acquired a Miss Silvia (Manufacture date 12/15) I'm giving serious thought about installing a PID. Not certain about which one though (the Auber or MeCoffee one)

 

I'm leaning towards the Auber though due to it being around longer & the fact that the mecoffee one is the thought I'd be putting something similar to a Raspberry pi into a machine that gets rather hot - I'm of the school that heat, moisture & computers (of any size & type) can't be good.

 

Thoughts?


grimleyplex = 2002-2019 R.I.P. :(

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • About:

    Coffee Forums UK is the UK's premier coffee forum Started in June 2008 by Glenn Watson, we now have more than 22000 mainly UK based members, and welcome more than 3000 members and visitors from around the world each day! With strategic investment and digital expertise from the Jackson Lockhart team (Tait Pollack and Adam Bateman), we are taking Coffee Forums UK to the next level, and are delighted to share the journey with you.

    New Members:

    We are often referred to as the friendliest forum on the web and we look forward to welcoming you onboard.

    Terms of Use

    Advertising

    Coffee Forums Media Kit

    Buy Advertising Space

    Donate

    Get Your Supporter Badge (per year)

×
×
  • Create New...