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  1. Good evening, I'm new here but pretty set on getting the Gaggia Classic and adding a PID. I can't seem to find any comparisons on the systems, and the last best PID kit thread dissapeared into DIY. I'm looking at buying a kit rather than doing a full DIY, I just don't have the time. As far as I can see theres MrShades kit which looks great, the Auber kit which offers the same options as MrShades so not much point looking at that or the mecoffee kit which has the app integration. Anyone know if I'm missing any or which is best? Cheers
  2. This post is more mostly about installing a PID on my Gaggia classic,because when I was looking to do it I could not find a specific post, blog, or video that explained it step by step. Thank you for reading—I hope it helps you with your project. Recently I took my Gaggia Classic out of storage and dusted it off. I put it up and nearly forgot about it when it completely stopped working. I pulled it out of the attic last week after I did a little work on my encore baratza grinder. It reminded me that I was never able to pull a good shot of espresso from my Classic due to the OPV (Over Pressure Valve) being set the the factory settings of 14 bars and the mechanical temperature control switch caused the water temperature to vary 20 degrees. The OPV was super simple to adjust: You can build the pressure tester or buy this kit ($28) on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012WQ5XLK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 The temperature took a lot more research and was a lot more difficult to install. I learned a lot about PIDs, which are basically small computers that read the temperature inside the boiler and send a signal to the heating element to turn on. The advantage of the PID over the mechanical is that it is more sensitive to temperature change and also the PID can vary the amount of power sent to the heating element. The mechanical switch is either on or off (100% power or 0% power). The PID initially runs at 100%, but as it gets up to the desired temperature it ramps down. At the desired temperature it might only send 1% to 5% power in 1 second intervals to maintain the right temperature within a few degrees. That's a simple explanation of a PID, but this George explains it better than I ever could: I had very little experience with electricity, so this video and this blog brought me up to speed:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGufeODqU6g https://kabalin.blogspot.com/2014/03/gaggia-classic-controlling-temperature.html I got really lucky that I bought the exact PID that George has a video wiring and programming, but its not super difficult to do either using any PID if you watch these videos and do a little research.Its the Inkbird ITC-106VH in case Amazon stops selling it. It will work in Europe and the USA. https://www.amazon.com/Inkbird-Temperature-Thermostat-Controllers-Fahrenheit/dp/B01KJZMWSI/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_328_tr_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=DY8Z2A07DA6DMWWMA604 The temperature sensor included the Inkbird kit does not fit into the Gaggia Classic, you will need to buy a thermocouple from Auber ($31.99 shipping included): https://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=21 Programming the PID seems daunting, but after George walks you through the steps, it will be a lot easier: One thing that took a little playing around with is under the sensor screen, you will need to change the character that looks like a “y” or “k” to the character that looks like “Pt.” This is only for Inkbird models—it will be different for other manufacturers. Wiring you will need assorted gauges of wires, the blog above explains the wiring for the Gaggia Classic and has very helpful pictures. You'll need terminal, piggyback terminals, and wire. I did not have any luck finding piggyback terminals at Home Depot, Lowes, Autozone, or O'Reilly's. I bought them off of Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0195UKJWY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It was fun learning about PIDs and wiring them. All in all, I am happy that there wasn't a step by step tutorial for adding a PID to my Gaggia. I learned a lot more and I feel way more confident that I could install another PID on any semi-automatic espresso machine. I'll post pictures later.
  3. Hi All Newbie here - have been Gaggia Classicing for years with a Krups Grinder (ignorance is bliss...!) and only recently discovered this fab forum. Temp surfing is great when it works, but now that I've tasted better coffee I decided I need to upgrade or replace. So I'm thinking a MrShades PID upgrade (£90) and a preinfuser upgrade ( pump+ £?) or a new Sage Duo-Temp ? The Krups needs to go at some stage too - and Niche Zero looks lovely and no stale grind retention, but is a little pricey. How's does the Sage Pro Grinder compare? So, thoughts on the best upgrade path would be greatly appreciated. Recommendations on other combinations would also be welcome. Many thanks.
  4. I’ve had an R58 for a couple of months and have to admit I’ve not been blown away by it so far. The espresso quality is excellent, but the steam quality has been quite disappointing. So, to give the steam a bit of a boost I increased the temp with the PID by 1 degree which has helped a little in maintaining pressure long enough to get some decent micro foam. However, as soon as I plug the PID into the R58 and change the temp on the service boiler, it shuts off the brew boiler pump completely! As in when you lift the handle to brew, nothing happens. The pump does not engage so nothing happens. The only way to get the pump working again is to switch the machine off and on again. This however, resets the temp back to the original factory setting and doesnÂ’t retain or remember the change in settings. i suspect I know the answer to my question already but, just in case I’m doing something wrong or am missing something, has anyone else experienced this problem? And if so, is there a simple fix without having to return the whole thing back to the retailer?
  5. Hi everyone, I have a problem with my second hand Gaggia, I picked it up 3 days ago, it was pre modded and controlled using Sestos PID. It was working normally for the previous owner. Quick explanation: The PID works well when 1st switched on. This I see as the PID gets up to temp quickly, overshoots by about 1 degree and stays 1-2 degrees above slowly going to desired temp of 94.5 as it cycles. As it is doing this I see: Scenario 1: --------------------------- 1: The Gaggia power indicator bulb is on 2: The Gaggia boiler indicator bulb (on the 3rd button) is on when the PID stops power 3: The Gaggia boiler indicator bulb (on the 3rd button) is off when the PID enables power --------------------------- The problem occurs around 15 or 20 minutes Scenario 2: --------------------------- 1: The Gaggia power indicator bulb is on 2: The Gaggia boiler indicator bulb (on the 3rd button) is on when the PID stops power 3: The Gaggia boiler indicator bulb (on the 3rd button) is on when the PID enables power --------------------------- Once it switches to Scenario 2, The PID starts trying to deliver power as usual, I know this because the output LED on the PID turns on. However the gaggia boiler light stays on as if its at the correct temp. The PID accurately shows the temperature of the boiler reducing to room temperature over a long period. The water from the head reduces to room temperature in line with the PID display. I can then get everything working again by powering off at the plug for 5 or more minutes. The machine eventually starts running properly in scenario 1 again. If I leave the power off for less than this (I just tested 1 and 2 minutes) It goes straight into scenario 2. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance. The Gaggia appears to be a 2010 model.
  6. Hi. how essential is a pid on a silvia, compared to a classic?? Is the temprature swing worse on a silvia? Because i have temp surfed my classic for ages with no noticeable issues. Is it more faff on a silvia to temp surf? I also read PIDS are more essential if you are a straight shot drinker, which i am not. without a pid service in the uk, my terrible diy skills, and the thought of voiding the warranty i would rather avoid it at least for the first couple of years... So, without a pid would a silvia be an upgrade on a 2013 classic without a pid?? Thanks for any advice, i genuinly thought silvias were about £500 and ive just discovered they are about £330 so this is now an option for me. Louis
  7. Hy guys, As I wrote here: http://coffeeforums.co.uk/showthread.php?27838-New-member-from-Germany&p=369294#post369294 we now have a Vetrano 2B "EVO", which is that machine's latest version. It has the latest PID (white numbers), which is supposed to have a built-in shot timer. As I wrote here: http://coffeeforums.co.uk/showthread.php?27305-Verona-PID-display&p=369261#post369261 I have access to a very detailed manual of the previous version of that machine (without "EVO"). It has the older (red numbers) PID and NO shot timer. Now, when our machine arrived, the shot timer wasn't activated/switched on. Unfortunately the dealer doesn't know how to activate it/switch it on, and the Quickmill manual that came with our machine still relates to the older (red) version of the PID, which did not include a shot timer in the first place. My question: Does any of you have (access to) the information relating to the latest (white) PID, and in particular relating to the shot timer, that would help us switch on the shot timer, or even correspond to the level of detailed information set out in this manual relating to the older (red) PID? https://www.chriscoffee.com/v/vspfil...trano%202b.pdf Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
  8. Hi all, As per the title I am very keen to PID my Silvia and trying to make sure I have considered all the options. From my research so far some options covered in previous posts seem to have been discontinued and new options are coming out with broader application but less reviews so I am finding this a bit tricky. The options currently seem to be: Auber kit - US based, seems expensive for what it is but probably the least hassle to install / configure. Benefit of a specific display but not everyone likes the look. MeCoffee - EU based, cheaper and at least as capable/ easy to install. Major negative for me though is the reliance on an android/chrome app (I don't have android and there's no guarantee the developer will continue to support so I'd prefer a screen that would guarantee I'd never be stuck without the ability to get feedback or change settings) ITO - looks like a new option and very interesting, mainly German following. Uses project caffe firmware. As well as temperature control, has flow sensor, pressure sensor and control and could interface with a water level sensor. Currently not taking orders but in production. I've not seen any full write ups of someone fitting it to a Silvia though and so I don't know whether it's what I'd call a kit or more DIY. Screen looks v smart when fitted (although obviously depends on the ability to cut such a beautiful hole in the case!). Ordering site: http://www.softwareandcircuits.com/division/circuits/onlineshop/articles/ito/configure.php firmware: http://projectcaffe.bplaced.net/features_leva.html background: http://www.home-barista.com/espresso-machines/alternative-for-pid-t41748-10.html and https://www.thuisbarista.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5484 easy kit - predecessor to ITO, discontinued? PID Silvia - discontinued? http://store.pidsilvia.com/index.php PIDkits.com / MLG - discontinued? Watlows - too expensive? DIY options - I've not got the time Primarily I need temperature control however I've yet to configure my OPV so the possibility to combine with a pressure sensor is very attractive. Ideally I would have the display act as a stopwatch too, displaying shot time while I am pulling. I'm leaning towards the ITO (if the opportunity to order one arises!) however I'd be very grateful for any information or experiences from other members as well as whether there are other viable options I haven't come across yet. Thanks all and I hope my research to date is potentially of some use to others too...
  9. Having just received and fitted my auber PID this afternoon I've only had time for a quick play with it but I'm looking forward to working out how best to use it. I just had a few questions for anyone who has experience of a PID'd classic. I have had a read through the instruction manual and the temperature studies. I knew of the issue with the water temp dropping significantly during a shot due to the small boiler. The default set value for the temp is 102 which apparently gives an average brew temp of 91 with a peak at 96. I know it varies depending on what coffee you're using but what typical temps are people setting their SV at? Is 91 low for an average temp? The few recipes I have come across for espresso blends (workshop's cult of done and square mile's red brick) seem to be based on brew temps of around 94. I know these are based on larger boiler machines with greater temp stability and therefore not the higher peak temp. It's the model with the pre infusion option. I wanted the steam option and it wasn't a huge amount more to have the pre infusion and shot timer. I will likely use the timer but not convinced about the pre infusion. Anyone have this option and what settings are you using for pulse time and dwell time? Finally, has anyone tried to add a preheat coil to their classic? Not convinced I'm up for that degree of modification but it would be an interesting project.
  10. Hello I was looking for advice from anyone re good PID for a v3 silvia. There are tons on ebay starting at 99p , but no sure what I am looking for, if these are reputable or suitable ? Cheers martin
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