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  1. In light of the current trend for people going after better grinders and upgrading their grinders I thought I would put together a thread on what people are actually getting for their money. Firstly let’s examine what people actually want from their grinders. I will break this down into various areas and attempt to answer some of the common questions that get asked. 1. Grind quality 2. Retention/ single dosing 3. Doser or Doserless 4. New or second hand Grind quality So what does this actually mean? in my opinion it equates to the consistency of the grind i.e. the amount of fine grinds in a given dose and the particle size and eveness. Entry level grinders that are referred to on here i.e. the MC2, mignon, vario will give you a different quality of grind compared to the next level up i.e. mazzer sj, eureka zenith, brassilia rr55 etc or the next level up mazzer royal, mazzer major, eureka mdl, la cimbali magnum etc and again to the "titan class grinders (most expensive) Compak r120, mahlkonig ek43, mazzer robur, eureka mythos, compak k10 and hg1 etc. In general the bigger the burr size the better the quality of the grind and in general the slower the spin speed the better, so the smaller grinders with smaller motors have to spin much faster (hotter) in order to grind beans evenly, whereas the bigger motors that drive the bigger burr sets have the torque to grind at slower speeds and thus tend to treat the coffee kinder! In my experince the bigger grinders produce a much more consistent grind and the results are immediately apparent in the cup especially with espresso. A mazzer royal (83mm burrs 800 rpm) releases much more complexity in the cup than a mazzer super jolly (64mm burrs 1400 rpm), so you get what you pay for as the bigger the grinder the more they cost, a eureka mignon is £280, Zenith £500, mythos £2000 ek43 £1920, (new prices). Most members that have moved up in the size of their grinders have noticed significant improvements in the resulting cup and I feel as a community we understand the inherent benefits of getting the best grind quality we can afford! Retention and single dosing As we tend to just make one of two coffees, most of us prefer to have the ability to weigh the beans in at the start and get out roughly what we put in, however i the world of grinders there are very few that will give you an output very close to the input without modification (compak r120, EK43, HG1, versalab, Pharos, hausgrind) so we have to either consider modifying our grinders or accepting that we might waste a little in the process of making our coffee. On demand grinders like the eureka zenith, brassilia rr55, mazzer electronic versions or even the big conicals like the compak e10 WILL retain coffee in the grind path and also need a weight of bean to get the functions to work (accurate dosing) and to get the best grind quality, so a sacrifice has to be made if you are considering one of these type of grinders. This retention is largely due to path that the grinds have to follow. Grinder design has not evolved much over the past 30 years, most grinders have a flat grind path whereby the ground coffee is pushed out of the exit shute by the coffee coming along afterwards and as a result there will be coffee that will go stale, remaining in that path. Now the bigger the grinder the more retention, especially if you go up to the conical grinders, the grinders with the least retention have a more vertical grind path i.e. the ek43 or eureka mythos (45 degree), however if you are prepared to carryout modifications to your grinder you can create zero retention grinders through the use of lens hoods, sweep clean mechs etc, but these will tend to be dosered grinders. Doser or Doserless The convenience of pressing a button and having a lovely fluffy mound of coffee in your basket comes at a price. As mentioned before, one cost is retention, but the other cost is the extra money you have to pay for the delivery system of these grinders. Electronic doserless grinders cost more money than dosered equivalents either new or second hand, but are more convenient to use, in a busy environment the repeatability of pressing a button and having a portion close to your desired dose is invaluable, but is it so important in the home? I like using my robur as it is amazing grind quality (paramount for me personally) is quick and mess free, however I have to put up with 30grams of retention!!!! the equivalent dosered version has a lot less retention and cost a hell of a lot less to buy (especially second-hand) it can also have a timer added to it and sweep clean modifications done, it requires a little more effort but in the long term would cost you less (due to wasted stale coffee). So you have a choice, if you want to single dose (get out what you put in) you need to spend a lot of money or modify a dosered grinder which leads me onto my final point. New or second hand Buying a new grinder comes with its benefits, you get a warranty and ergo piece of mind, you get something that you wont have to clean or sort out, if you buy an on demand grinder you probably wont have to do any modifications as you would have already accepted the points above, however it will cost you twice as much(in most cases) than buying a used or reconditioned grinder. For the same money you spend on a brand new grinder you can get a much better used grinder, I will use a grinder i currently have as an example. For £1000 I could by a mazzer major electronic or a compak e8 (just) or an hg1 hand grinder all decent grinders in their own right, however for £800 I bought a used Versalab (£2000 new) which is zero retention, amazing grind consistency small and compact and beautiful looking (IMO). It knocks spots off all those other grinders (including the HG1). If I take this to the other end of the spectrum, for £375 I could buy a brand new vario, or I could buy a used and modified mazzer major or a brassilia rr55OD at a stretch I could find a dirty mythos ( i found one for £250 once) and spend some time bringing it back to perfect, all of which knock spots of the vario, however I will take a risk on having a warranty, but then if a commercial grinder is working perfectly the likelihood is it will continue to do so for many more years in a home environment. At the end of the day it is entirely up to you, but my advice is do your research, don’t jump into a deal because others tell you to, get some hands on with a grinder if you can, get the best that you can afford and enjoy the coffee you make with it!
  2. Hi all, Apologies for digging up what's probably been answered many a time, but I need a decent espresso grinder for a take-away stall and I'm a bit confused as to what might be the best option - I've got around £150-400 to spend and am happy to buy used. It'll be for espresso only as I have one of those massive, ugly bunn filter grinders. The smaller form factor's of the Eureka & Vario would actually be quite useful, but It's going to be used on an outdoor cart and probably get bashed around quite a bit, so needs to be strong enough to cope. It will also be doing around 50-100 shots a day and I'm not sure if the prosumer grinders would really be up to that or not? Also I'm London based if any of you have any bargains for sale Cheers! Cal
  3. Bella Barista have advised me to hold off buying a Mignon Mk2 until the new range comes in, which will hopefully be sometime next month (March 2018) They have said that all three will be improvements on the Mk2, and that the cheapest of the three (the "Silenzio") will be just £289. They are slightly larger, and won't have the shield logo on the front, which I always liked. Eureka are apparently planning on continuing production of the Mk2 for another year or so, which seems a little strange if the new ones are being marketed as cheaper and better. Do you think we might see a glut of Mk2 Mignons on the second hand market in the next few months? R http://www.eureka.co.it/en/catalogo/prodotti/macinacaff%c3%a8+istantaneo/1/19.aspx
  4. Have patience and good things will come, had word yesterday that my Brand Spanking Shiny New Niche Coffee Grinder is arriving today, nice surprise as I thought they were coming at the end of January. Anyone else get their message yesterday??
  5. I am selling a Eureka Mignon Specialita coffee grinder in gloss black, with Chrome chute and touch screen display. This small prosumer coffee grinder has an stepless adjustable grind range suitable for French Press, espresso and even Turkish coffee. Grind duration can be timed or manual. If you own a coffee machine with a portafilter, you can take advantage of the hands-free holder. The large capacity (300g) hopper is ideal for those users who have a large throughput of coffees every day. The grinder is suitable for light commercial applications (eg, a small café) as well as domestic users who drink coffee frequently. The grinder is in almost “as new” condition. It was bought in April 2018 from Bella Barista for £379 and has been used once or twice daily, so usage has been minimal. The transferable warranty extends to April 2020 (see warranty card in images). I am selling because my son has given me a new Niche grinder, which is more suitable for my single-dose usage. The Eureka is in full working order. It comes in its original packaging together with warranty card to April 2020 and instruction manual • Touch screen with 2 Programmable doses, total control of grinding time and continuous model. • ACE system which prevents the formation of clumps and guarantees cleanliness and dose precision. • The large 55mm burrs offer excellent grind dispersion, speed and performance. • “Hands free" fork suitable for any type of filter holder. • Stepless micrometric regulation system patented by Eureka guarantees incomparable grinding performances in terms of quality and precision. • Grinder Motor: 260Watt Bean Hopper Capacity: 300g • Height: 350mm Width: 120mm Depth: 180mm Weight: 5.6kg For a quick sale, I am asking £200 for the grinder, which is almost half-price compared to new. The grinder can be collected from my home in Cardiff or despatched at cost by courier. (this is likely to be no more than £30)
  6. Hi everyone, Long time lurker. Apologies for the samey "please help me choose" thread but I am lost in a sea of burrs. I currently have both a Hario Mini Mill & Iberital MC2. I use the MC2 for espresso, the mini mill for everything else. I'm looking to upgrade and my budget is sub £200, ideally more like £100-150. I've done a fair bit of research into manual grinder as I was under the impression you get the best bang for your buck here. I'm still rather lost, so any advice at all would be appreciated. My thoughts/questions so far: Second hand is the obvious way to go right? I was going to keep the MC2 for espresso and just replace the mini mill with a better hand grinder for filter brews, is this sensible or could I replace both with a decent second hand auto for sub 200? If manual is the way to go, are these still safe to buy second hand? Seems like the MBK grinders are the best value in this area? If I go second hand auto, any recommended models? What sort of RRP do I need to be looking at for a decent auto grinder? The Minion is often mentioned here, would that represent a significant upgrade to what I have? Thanks for your time and any advice you give!
  7. Again no resemblance to persons, events or places living or dead etc.. etc.. If your offended....then tough, because it wasn't about you....or perhaps it was! I think this one will only make sense to seasoned forumites (hence it's unlisted) and those with a great deal of historical knowledge....you know who you are. [video=youtube_share;BZNjD6ZoyDk]
  8. My Hario Skerton has been a daily, faithful companion since September 2013. My coffee connoisseur son has often tried to persuade me to adopt an electric rival such as a Baratza. However, I have resisted valiantly. As time has gone by, and being a passionate skier, I have developed various workout activities around the few minutes it takes to grind 60-90g of my home roasted beans. Consider me crazy, but it neutralises the boredom of grinding and it may contribute a little to my physical and brain health (we sexagenarians need any help we can get!). Here are some of my routines : stand on a balance board whilst grinding alternate the arm driving the milling squat or even crouch stand alternatingly on only one leg (and for skiers possibly also adopt a skiing stance with a forward flexed ankle so that your hip bone is above the front half of your foot) stand alternatingly on only one leg and grind under the thigh of the lifted leg mill behind your back arching your body backwards grind holding the grinder above your shoulder with the milling arm above your head combine some of the above (although none but 3. with the balance board option!) If any of you have further ideas, I'd be grateful if you would please post them here... many thanks!
  9. Have ignorance, need relieving please. I see many common references to burr diameter in grinders, 50mm, 55mm, 63mm, bigger being better but only up to a point etc etc. But where is the diameter measured? For conical burrs is it outer dia of outer burr, inner dia of outer burr, outer dia of inner burr? Or something else entirely? What about flat burrs? Are they measured differently? How can dia of flat and conical burrs be compared if at all? thank you confused of Somerset
  10. Hello Folks. I'm still working my way through pages and pages in the threads on the forum since joining ...... In 'Home Roasters' there's talk (Quite correctly of in-coming voltages), thermocouples/probes to monitor temps etc, in 'Grinders' there's talk of clumping, retention....... Much talk on grinding techniques. Unless it's in pages I have not read yet, I see no mention yet of 'HUMIDITY', humidity varies so much not only outside but more so inside the home or shed, wherever you're coffee domain is, surely this needs to be included in the mix either to discount it's relevance or whether it does/can contribute to some problems. Jon.
  11. Hi All, Having got myself a ECM Sykronika, I have discovered my current grinder is not meeting my expectations ( an 8 yr old Mignon with Doser ). I am looking at the following as options, but am keen to try and get to a 65mm burr size if I can. I also have a height restriction of 50cm ( total height ) so would be looking at a smaller hopper so as to help with access to refill. I am keen on doserless, on demand grinder. Timer preferred and weight dispensed would be amazing. Budget sub £600 Options I have thought of; Eureka Atom Eureka Atom 65 Eureka Zenith 65 Firenzato F4 Firenzato F64 Ceado E37j Compak C5 ( not 65mm I am aware but BB love it ) ECM S Automatic 64 Any thoughts or comments would be much appreciated.
  12. I have just purchased a Rocket Fausto grinder to complete my coffee station. For starters, the grinder looks amazing. The chrome finish is really great. But the instructions are dreadful. I am a bit confused if the tools are meant to come with the grinder. The grinder comes with a portafilter holder that needs to be attached, there are two allen key screws in the grinder already but I don't have an allen key which fits to remove them. For anyone that has this grinder, do you know if the tools are meant to come in the packaging?
  13. Hi all, I've been getting back into the wonderful world of filter coffee recently, and forgotten how much I enjoy using the V60/Aeropress, and thinking about upgrading the set up. My first question is if I use my espresso grinder (Compak K3) and just put it on a coarser setting, will this be better/worse than a specific filter grinder? Then if not and a specific filter grinder is the way to go, what would people recommend? Maybe around £100-£200 mark. I've read very good things about the Wilfa Svart that they made with Tim Wendelboe, does anyone have any experience with this? They seem to have good reviews, and relatively cheap. thanks! Rory
  14. Anyone used one an Anfim SPII? How do they compare to the Mythos etc?
  15. So SWMBO has made a sneaky observation that my mignon is noisy & is disturbing her beauty sleep. Apparently it shakes the whole house! what would be the next step up that is quieter? I like the mignon grind adjustment & how this isn't list when its cleaned
  16. I've researched this to hell and back before posting this, i know i'm not the first or last to ask about this lot of grinders, and it is one of those constantly morphing X vs Y vs Z questions... Compak K3 / Wega 5.8 Eureka Mignon Mk2 Mahlkonig Vario (£100 extra) - great reviews, quiet, but..but...all that plastic? Fiorenzato F4E Nano (£110 extra) - seems to get glowing reviews re. single dosing / retention Quamar M80e (£110 extra) - Mazzer Mini killer? I crossed the Mini itself off for retention and value - I'm prioritizing minimal grind retention and suitability for single dosing. i'm taking quality as a given - Less noise etc is better than more, but, meh... - The sky is the limit with these things, but I'm not after after the holy grail...just something noticeably better than the my MDF - Those prices are all new. The only one that appears used, reliably, is the Mignon, which would make it £100 cheaper than the K3 and £200 cheaper than the rest Are the 3 more expensive ones significantly better than the cheaper 2? Worth paying the extra 40% for? Or is it all, really, much of a muchness and i shoudl just roll a dice? Ta
  17. I read every where that sage grinders are terrible. Whether your talking built in grinders or stand alone smart grinders. When I owned by barista express i had no issues with my grinder. When using fresh beans and a scale to make sure I'm using the right weight i always got the shots within the espresso scale on the pressure gauge. As for taste and consistency, i never got that far, but it defo seemed possible to get a good shot from the machine. I'm only asking about these grinders because people suggest stand alone not built in, but space and cost may be an issue.
  18. I am thinking of getting my first grinder and noticed some relatively cheap one's on eBay particularly the Gaggia MDF - anyone here using this? Grateful for any feedback or recommendations for budget grinder please. Thanks
  19. So thanks to help on here I got a lovely ECM Mechanika IV rotary plumbed in and I love it. And thanks to my own inexperience, I ignored some advice on here and went with a Eureka Mignon. Having lived with it for a few weeks I'm able to more accurately define my grinder requirements now (an expensive evolution!) and I'd really value some recommendations based on these: Hard requirements: Must fit on to worktop within 44cm space under kitchen eye-level cabinets and be able to load the hopper with beans without moving it - this is easy with the mignon. I'm swapping between caf and decaf beans quite a lot now, more than I expected - I don't want 2 grinders. I want to be able to mark on the grinder where my setting is for one bean and a mark for the other and easily move from one to the other - and to not have to have the grinders moving when I change setting as I do on the Mignon. I also want to be able to mark for aeropress - again easily move. Because of above I want to be able to put just the amount of beans in a need for one shot or 2 and then easily prepare for another bean. It will be common for me to make a decaf for me, immediately followed by a caf for my wife - I want this to be hassle free as possible (with 1 grinder). I want it to be automatic so I press a button and the right amount of coffee is ground that I set and I can leave it and it will stop grinding itself. Naturally it must grind espresso at least as well as the Mignon which I find is great although too much clumping. Pretty flexible on cost - I do want new - I'm assuming my 44cm height constraint puts a ceiling on the cost anyway. Though I don't, for example, want to be spending more than £800 and would really REALLY like to spend a huge amount less. Quietness is a big deal to me - my coffee obsession isn't going down brilliantly in the house ALL the time and I'd value something highly that was as quiet as possible.... e.g. significantly quieter than the Mignon. Softer requirements: It would be great if it had a light that shone on to the pf/container whilst grinding as it can be a little dark where I have my kit. It would be amazing if it showed the weight of ground coffee and even better if it automatically stopped at a certain weight. I've found the Mignon quite messy both in terms of when it's grinding (coffee not landing in pf/container all the time) and more so after it's been used and a slight vibration causes dump of ground coffee falling out the shoot. A machine with a tray at the bottom as a minimum though ideally one that is designed to maximise ground coffee coming out in a narrow shape as it were - basically something less messy :-) BTW I swore to myself and my wife I would not contract upgradeitus
  20. I have a Rocky, which s/h was about £100, new they are £235 - and that's pretty much the entry level machine. For that you get a set of burrs, which are about £40 to buy as spares, a moderately precise large bore thread and screw, and a motor, wrapped in some sheet metal. Not exactly rocket science. To get a reasonable upgrade on that, i'm looking at £500-700 for a new one, which will be a set of better burrs, a more precise screw, a similar electric motor, and some sheet metal. Probably with a timer. £3.00 This little chunk of equipment would sit in the kitchen. Near the fridge £300. Or the washing machine £350, dishwasher £250, microwave £90 of course this conversation came about when shmbo was moaning about how loud the rocky is. 'I could always get an Atom, they are really quiet, it's only £600' HOW MUCH?????? let's just say, negotiations are ongoing. But it does make you think. Is it just down to the relatively small numbers of grinders that are made, compared to the other kitchen equipment?
  21. No more playing the Pharmacist weighing the beans:D made a copy of the volumetric doser, at the moment can't stop playing, working great.
  22. Might be worth the wait before thinking of new grinder, the new baratza sette out very soon, if not strong money might be considered.
  23. Looking for some advice on the best espresso grinder for around £250 - it needs to be small and I don't want any sort of storage or dosing container. I'm thinking its going to be a mignon but wanted to test the water with forum members before I start looking. I should also add that I'd quite like something fairly new if not brand new. Thanks
  24. Quite apart from seeing 2x EK's on Gumtree I noticed 2x TechnoVorm Moccamaster KM/DOS filter coffee grinders about which I know nothing... could even be blades... so this is just for interest... and on Gumtree ?? £720 Robur E bought May '16 ...hardly used ....New burrs fitted. Now if that is not a contradiction I don't know what is.... Anyway just for your perusal http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-x-Filter-Coffee-Grinders-Commercial-TechnoVorm-Moccamaster-KM-DOS-/322269070068?hash=item4b08bbc2f4:g:Y0wAAOSwLF1X4tes https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-kitchen-appliances/mazzer-robur-e-coffee-grinder-black-finish/1191083317
  25. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mahlkonig-Large-Coffee-Grinder-/201648776231?hash=item2ef3342427:g:VrIAAOSwdzVXtIDr I'll save you the trouble..... It is 115mm http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DITTING-SWISS-KR1203-RETAIL-COFFEE-GRINDER-CAFE-COFFEE-SHOP-DELI-HI-VOLUME-/152180513814?hash=item236eaa5c16:g:rLkAAOSwtnpXlc0z 120mm
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