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    Quote Originally Posted by biggow View Post
    Thanks for your help everyone, but to be honest, if I've spent £1200 on an electrical item I expect it to work properly out of the box. If I've got to to go and buy hex keys to open it up and then take a spanner to the inside, then I'm out. I think I'll be emailing Bella Barista in the morning to arrange a return.
    Come on now pull your socks up, once you been settled for a week and got down to 9 bar you will be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jony View Post
    Come on now pull your socks up, once you been settled for a week and got down to 9 bar you will be fine.
    I think he has/is returning it...pity.
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    I'd be a bit non-plussed if the first thing I had to do to my brand new £1200 machine was to open it up and fiddle with the innards. It may be very very straight forward but not everyone is comfortable doing that kind of thing, people who regularly do it have no idea how scary the prospect can be for newbies - does it invalidate the warranty? If BB don't want the hassle of doing it for every machine, why not give purchasers the option of having it set up for them - I'm sure they check the machines over before shipping so it shouldn't be a big hassle for them either for the few that ask for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgarrish View Post
    I'd be a bit non-plussed if the first thing I had to do to my brand new £1200 machine was to open it up and fiddle with the innards. It may be very very straight forward but not everyone is comfortable doing that kind of thing, people who regularly do it have no idea how scary the prospect can be for newbies - does it invalidate the warranty? If BB don't want the hassle of doing it for every machine, why not give purchasers the option of having it set up for them - I'm sure they check the machines over before shipping so it shouldn't be a big hassle for them either for the few that ask for it?
    I'm not disagreeing that BB should be adjusting the brew pressure as part of the service they offer. Over the decades I have been reviewing pretty much 95% of machines come with an incorrect brew pressure. usually 10.5 bar, sometimes 11 or even 12+. The factories can sometimes set the pressure against coffee (which is wrong), others think 12 bar is good, others don't care. Ultimately though the prosumer machines are best owned by customers who are prepared to make adjustments to fine tune the machine for the absolute best performance. hence why I did a video for nrew pressure adjustment. The factory in Italy actually adjusts machines to 9-9.5 bar against coffee....I just found out and told them this is NOT the way. They will argue a bit and then probably move to setting brew pressure my way and it will give me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside. Afteer which all machines should come set to 9-9.5 bar from the factory against a blind filter and with the heating element off when they do it.

    Sometimes they go the other way and set the brew pressure too low as happened with the first Bianca prototype I got...where that ideally should be set to 10.5 or even 11 bar...because it's a pressure profiler. I informed Lelit of this it's in the review. Has it been done and my recommendations followed....I have no idea, I hope so but I don't know? I don't care because I have made videos for the BB user guide that clearly show how to get the best out of the machine and all the adjustments for the recommended settings...my job is done.

    So ultimately you buy from a quality retailer for a reason, they support the warranty, ideally they should check the machine and make sure it's working OK and set as recommended. It's why I don't recommend buying from box shifters such as Crappy Italia. People do have to be careful though, prices are going through the roof for prosumer machines and they need to be careful what they wish for..It's one of the reasons I am gradually getting out of the reviewing/testing game. Too many people have no inclination to gain any knowledge about these machines and simply suck up what's fed to them by marketing. It's been an increasing source of frustration for me. I hoped Minima would hark back to the old days and push the price vs performance barrier. Once the base machine was built, then the enhancements (all retrofittable) could have been introduced. Cleverer Gicar programming, pressure profiling, bloom phases etc..all for very little extra money and for some things, no extra cost, even the warm up could have been made faster with an Idea I had 7 years ago..It's why I have a flash programmer, so I can upload and check the changes into the test machine I have.

    Unless people are prepared to support things and do a little themselves though, the machines like this will never happen and people will pay increasingly more for less. I won't care because I have 4 dual boiler machines and will have left the discussions far behind, enjoying my coffee and my roasting.
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    Am I correct in thinking that :

    (a) the machine will perform perfectly well with the pressure set at 12 bars as supplied from BB,

    (b) the pressure reduction is a little bit of advice from Dave, which in his opinion will improve the overall taste of the coffee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyedee View Post
    Am I correct in thinking that :

    (a) the machine will perform perfectly well with the pressure set at 12 bars as supplied from BB,

    (b) the pressure reduction is a little bit of advice from Dave, which in his opinion will improve the overall taste of the coffee.
    Ian
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