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    Quote Originally Posted by DavecUK View Post
    Really...wow, I don't think others have caught up. The drain taps alone are something I believe should be on every machine. Also most/All don't or rather didn't have proper independent dual loop PIDs. How many do now, I don't know, but I would suspect not many. It was also tested and verified as temperature stable and accurate by me with my recommended PID settings as well. That's a real shame. Still, you guys will keep buying those brand new Rocket Machines.

    What this does underline though is "mmmm shiney" outclasses technical considerations almost every time.....one of the reason I am not so keen to review machines nowadays unless it's new or interesting in some way. No way am I going to waste my time reviewing when technicals, internals and mechanical design are being ignored.........I got better things to do than sales fluff.

    Heres to hoping I didn't waste my time and energy on the Lelit Mara.
    these are just some of the examples of what sets the machine apart. Real shame Bella are stopping stocking it, get it while you can

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavecUK View Post
    Heres to hoping I didn't waste my time and energy on the Lelit Mara.
    @DavecUK
    I'm seriously considering the Lelit PL62 based mainly on your review with the videos. Its' nice to see someone review with a technical but also the insiders view and what's in the machine beyond its price point!

    If I do decide to get the Lelit then both of your reviews will have swayed my selections first being the Niche.

    ..message ends..

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    Playing catch up here on the forum, getting my feet under the table and realising my choice of machine may be out my reach owing to suggestions that BB are no longer going to retail the QM VERONA, I am curious as to when this machine hit the market, yes it's marketed as a 2017 so does that indicate it's arrival was mid/late 2016 ?.

    Not seen any reason yet as to why BB will no longer supply, I appreciate there's a lot goes on behind the scene's between manufacturers, suppliers and retailers, I see THE other retailer fails to have as big a fan club as BB, yet I note they have a VETRONA limited edition wood features, how does that measure up in comparison.
    As BB provide so much detail with a great site, I already feel a sense of loyalty to make my purchase there, especially as the lengthy review touched on something that I can concur with, metallic tang!, I can never drink beers, lagers from a can, so on that brass boiler spec it was/is a great plus for me, of course most of the review put the VERONA well out from the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpresso View Post
    Playing catch up here on the forum, getting my feet under the table and realising my choice of machine may be out my reach owing to suggestions that BB are no longer going to retail the QM VERONA, I am curious as to when this machine hit the market, yes it's marketed as a 2017 so does that indicate it's arrival was mid/late 2016 ?.

    Not seen any reason yet as to why BB will no longer supply, I appreciate there's a lot goes on behind the scene's between manufacturers, suppliers and retailers, I see THE other retailer fails to have as big a fan club as BB, yet I note they have a VETRONA limited edition wood features, how does that measure up in comparison.
    As BB provide so much detail with a great site, I already feel a sense of loyalty to make my purchase there, especially as the lengthy review touched on something that I can concur with, metallic tang!, I can never drink beers, lagers from a can, so on that brass boiler spec it was/is a great plus for me, of course most of the review put the VERONA well out from the rest.

    JWL.
    I actually spoke with Claudette directly on this.

    As good as the Verona was/is on paper, especially for those of us who value it's features and the way it has been designed. I just don't think it was popular enough for them to continue shipping it in.

    The average coffee enthusiast wants shiny and named equipment and so I got the impression that the likes of the rockets, ECM and Profitec etc outsold the Verona by some margin, even though they're clearly inferior machines from a technical perspective.

    People were voting with their wallet so BB have listened. Shame really IMO.
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    Also, the BB verona pre dates late 2016, just the latest version had the PID upgrade to include shot timer and some aesthetic improvements. Aside from that, identical internally from what my research found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATZ View Post
    Also, the BB verona pre dates late 2016, just the latest version had the PID upgrade to include shot timer and some aesthetic improvements. Aside from that, identical internally from what my research found.
    I'd love to know if it's still a proper dual channel PID with independent PID and B parameters for the steam boiler not just 2 temperature settings?
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    So very disappointed to hear that snippet of news, considering Dave UK's comments of the dual PID sensors in other machines, looking on the OTHER retailer/supplier, I get the impression from their site and the images that the Vetrano almost identical to look at, under the hood the pump is still mounted on the top.
    Their QI Vetrona wood version has what appear to be different knobs on the steam/water taps, are they a rotary valve or a lever operation, I can enquire but for the purpose to inform others I ask the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavecUK View Post
    I'd love to know if it's still a proper dual channel PID with independent PID and B parameters for the steam boiler not just 2 temperature settings?
    I believe so according to BB
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATZ View Post
    I believe so according to BB
    I'd really only trust someone with a new pid model actually checking
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