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  1. View Advert Lelit Elizabeth PL92T For sale is my Lelit Elizabeth PL92T machine with all original accessories and packaging. I bought this from Bella Barista towards the end of September 2020 and have really enjoyed it over the last 12 months. There are just under 12 months remaining on the Bella Barista transferrable warranty. I’ve only taken some quick pictures because it’s basically in excellent condition - very little signs of use anywhere on the machine really. It has been lightly used (1 - 2 shots per day) and only had non-scaling water used from day 1 (the rpavlis formula). If you'd like any photos of anything specifically then I'm happy to provide. I changed the plastic handle of the spouted portafilter for a walnut one, and also bought an official Lelit walnut handled bottomless portafilter (approx £55) which is included in the sale along with all original accessories (3 x baskets, blind basket, plastic tamper etc). In addition the group gasket was changed for the silicone Cafelat version, and I will include the unused original gasket. Also I will include a new IMS shower screen that fits if you'd like to experiment - it's the IMS CI 200. Reason for sale is that I continue down the rabbit hole - I’ve enjoyed my coffee so much with the Elizabeth I have moved on to the Decent machine to play further with all of the variables. I’m based just outside London / inside Kent (DA17) and there is free parking directly outside. Advertiser tj893 Date 09/10/21 Price £900 Category £1200 and under  
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    For sale is my Lelit Elizabeth PL92T machine with all original accessories and packaging. I bought this from Bella Barista towards the end of September 2020 and have really enjoyed it over the last 12 months. There are just under 12 months remaining on the Bella Barista transferrable warranty. I’ve only taken some quick pictures because it’s basically in excellent condition - very little signs of use anywhere on the machine really. It has been lightly used (1 - 2 shots per day) and only had non-scaling water used from day 1 (the rpavlis formula). If you'd like any photos of anything specifically then I'm happy to provide. I changed the plastic handle of the spouted portafilter for a walnut one, and also bought an official Lelit walnut handled bottomless portafilter (approx £55) which is included in the sale along with all original accessories (3 x baskets, blind basket, plastic tamper etc). In addition the group gasket was changed for the silicone Cafelat version, and I will include the unused original gasket. Also I will include a new IMS shower screen that fits if you'd like to experiment - it's the IMS CI 200. Reason for sale is that I continue down the rabbit hole - I’ve enjoyed my coffee so much with the Elizabeth I have moved on to the Decent machine to play further with all of the variables. I’m based just outside London / inside Kent (DA17) and there is free parking directly outside.

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  3. Thanks for coming back with this observation- it’s great to get it confirmed. Yep it seems to relate to the viscosity of the shot, and I’ve continued to see this vary as the beans age with no discernible affect on the flavour (from thick/full and what might be thought of as a “good” extraction visually to the thinner version a week or 2 later).
  4. Thanks everyone for the thoughts and interesting discussion, and sorry for taking a while to get back. This helped! I must have been over tightening the shower screen which was definitely accentuating the flow pattern. The key thing at play though has proven to be the freshness of the beans as others mentioned combined with getting the grind level right. There seems no real difference in flavour over the days that flow might gradually change and the coffee still tastes great (thanks Rob1)! So an interesting thing (for me at least) to consider as a signpost for something to improve, but ultimately a dead end! Many thanks again to all
  5. No problem! Yes I’m intrigued also and I must admit I wonder if there are any machine issues that might be behind it (but no idea if that’s the case). And yes I use a levelling and consistent force tamper. I’m in London/Kent. I did another shot earlier and handheld the pf whilst the niche was grinding, moving my hand around to try and distribute more evenly as the grinds fell into the basket. After this the puck prep was as normal. Surprising results- I was expecting maybe an impact on just how even the distribution was, but: - the shot ran slower - the strange “flower” pattern as someone else put it earlier in the thread was much more obvious I don’t think I’ve previously quite realised how consistent the flow pattern is when the shot doesn’t run well. It is not just a random channelling or thinning of the flow. I don’t know what would cause this- I’m just using the stock screen and everything is clean. From what I’ve seen around the internet it seems the Elizabeth manometer usually shows 10 bar during the shot, and I think someone confirmed with Lelit that this should mean around 9 bar at the puck. Happy to be corrected on this if anyone knows otherwise. I’ve noticed the issue over the last several months with all sorts of beans - maybe all of them really. I have a dog and hat med-dark sub so the machine sees many different beans. The roast date is always about right before they get frozen, but the issue has also happened with beans that were never frozen so don’t think it’s related…good points though!
  6. Yep you're right of course - flavour and taste should be the most important factor. I feel like it's easy to get used to the results from a home coffee machine used daily without realising things aren't as good as they could be, and the PF might give some clues on improvements which really is the aim of this thread I guess. I actually have the Lelit Elizabeth (not sure where the Bianca note came from - I may have misspoke earlier in the thread!). Thanks for this. I always aim for 1:2 so yep the videos are 30gr. The older beans are definitely having a big effect (although I keep them in an airscape), but the thinness returning within a week of opening a bag from the freezer seemed to suggest to me something else might be going on. The 10 bars mentioned is where the Lelit Elizabeth sits at by default when up to pressure. I think your comments are probably linked to the idea I had a Bianca. Yep agree with all tamp thoughts and I'm aware that the distribution causes off-centre drip through despite an apparently level tamp. I do my best with this whilst still being pragmatic with time- I sit the PF under the niche in a wooden stand, grind direct in using a funnel, do WDT as per the decent espresso "spiral" technique you mention, one tap on a tamping mat and then tamp.
  7. Thanks again everyone for your thoughts. Over the last week I've experimented with various things to see what effect if any they might have: - Larger dose (15g and 16g) - Stock basket - Different tamping pressure - Different grind levels - Different pre infusion - Brew temp (up from 92 to 95) No matter what I tried I still just got "thin" coffee that did not flow through all holes in the basket, especially for the second half the shot. When I opened a new bag of beans things improved dramatically as I felt they would but after a few days I could see that the tendency towards thinner coffee was perhaps underway and the shots were starting to break up slightly especially around the edges of the basket. See this video from the first shot today to see what I mean: For subsequent shots I decided to try no pre-infusion and I got thicker and more consistent pulls without any real breakup for the flow or visible holes. It's almost like the water flowed through the coffee bed more evenly and continuously. The coffee also tasted great. Video of one of the shots here: The only reason I used PI was with the belief that it was more forgiving of puck prep and I visualised how the PI would soak the coffee bed and allow greater consistency. But at least on this very limited and early change it seems like I get better flow without it. If this is the case I'm not sure why this is and what might be peculiar to my way of doing things (if at all). One note - I'm using the steam pre infusion option on the Lelit (i.e. steam pressure is applied to the puck when the pump is off) and I increased the steam boiler temp to 142 deg C quite some time ago so I guess perhaps there's more pressure than usual. I don't think that would be a factor... I will keep on with this new approach and see how it progresses!
  8. Thanks so much everyone- genuinely useful discussion. I’ll be back home soon and will reply properly, as well as post some findings after trying a larger dose/coarser grind.
  9. Sorry for the delay in reply, I’m actually away so will be trying out any suggestions after the weekend. @MediumRoastSteam Thanks for checking, it’s really useful given we have the same equipment. I use an IMS double basket with 14gr (IMS) however I did go back to the stock Lelit basket and found no difference. @HVL87 I tend to mainly use dog and hat sub 250gr beans bags so they’re usually fresh and ready to use. I either keep them in their resealable bag or in an airscape. I switched to the IMS straight away as I already had it. I guess part of me wonders if some element of the machine itself might now be causing it but that’s probably unlikely. The manometer hovers around 10 bar which I understand is pretty normal. Perhaps I should run a shot either with no pf or with an empty bottomless pf to see if the water distribution changes over around 30 seconds. Although that’s probably a daft thing to try.
  10. @MediumRoastSteamahh thanks that would be great! As for puck prep: I grind directly into the PF, I use a WDT tool like this, little tap to settle the grounds and then a “the force” tamper (Youtube) so the tamp pressure should be the same every time. Come to think of it maybe there’s a chance I’m tamping too hard, I’m not sure if the shot breaking up is a symptom of that…
  11. @Rob1 Thanks for that- some good food for thought and I hadn’t thought about the impact of increased dose on ey. Will bear that in mind and pull a longer shot as well as part of the testing. And yep there’s nothing wrong with the taste of the shot as such, I guess I wondered if this was a sign of something that could be improved and better the shot. We shall see- as you say it may get worse! @DavecUK Cheers Dave, yep I’ll give that a go, maybe it will help keep the shot together for longer with or without an improvement in flavour. @MediumRoastSteam It’s a niche zero and some medium to medium-dark beans (as usual). I forget which beans specifically as it’s from the dog and hat sub but I’ve noticed it with all beans recently.
  12. Thanks both for replying. @DavecUK According to IMS it’s 14-16gr (this one IMS) @Rob1 I’m with you on not particularly caring how it looks for aesthetics sake alone. I’m just wondering if it’s a sign that the results could be improved further, particularly as I believe it wasn’t happening initially (and definitely not with previous setups). I tried the standard Lelit double basket instead of IMS but didn’t see a difference. If I grind coarser then the flow is faster and perhaps “chokes” or breaks up less, but the shot is pretty quick. Perhaps I should try increasing the amount of coffee with a coarser grind… I notice that when coffee has literally just been opened then the shot breaks up less and seems “fuller” when flowing.
  13. Hi all! I wonder if anyone might be able to help me figure out how I can improve my shots- I’ve taken a video of a typical bottomless shot of recent on my Lelit Elizabeth: You’ll notice that the shot starts to “break up” after around 20 seconds - the coffee thins down and no longer flows through from all parts of the bottom of the basket. I’m not sure when this started to happen but I feel like it hasn’t always been this way- I haven’t been looking so closely in a while… Key info below: Coffee weight: 14gr Coffee out: 28gr Preinfusion time 10s (3s pump on, 7s wait) Total shot time (inc preinf) 30s Approx number 12 on the niche grinder IMS competition basket double shot Any help greatly appreciated!
  14. Related but not exactly what you’re asking I think- the standard Lelit spouted PF that comes with the machine is fairly easy to change the handle. Pop the cap off the back of the handle and use a long Allen key to loosen the bolt. This gets the handle off. Then there is the part that accepts the bolt- this is screwed into the PF head. This bit is fairly tough as they’ve used threadlocker as normal. Happily the part is square in shape so if you use an adjustable wrench and clamp the head of the PF either in a vice or with some quick clamps then it’s not too bad. Finally the replacement handle has to have an M12 bolt and this screws into the PF head.
  15. Regards sound level - I suspect that the difference is whether the little plastic push-on filter on the intake tube that goes into the water reservoir has been removed. With it fitted and without some adjustment to it's position the sound level is not dissimilar to the gaggia classic as it vibrates against the tank. Either remove (assuming good filtered water) or change the tubing in such a way that the end either hangs naturally or (by extending) is forced away from the edge of the tank (both approaches have been discussed a little by other users earlier in the thread).
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