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Oh, many replies! I have no problem with this, I see the issue and the need to be clear when expressing intent, but irrespective of my own reply I think it would be uncharitable to say @stassinari wasn't looking to signal they wanted to accept the seller's terms. To be clear - I believed the item to be sold when I replied. Happy DE1ing everyone.

If sale falls through I'll take at asking price.

@TomR I think most of the resale data for Decent machines is locked away in the Diaspora so having access to that you may have a better idea than us on the outside. You're right about availability and demand. Are Decent/John happy to transfer the warranty and grant access to the Diaspora for resold machines?

We don't have to agree but there's no point posting if we're just going to be glib about it. So, as is tradition: This is my last word mateY.

It’s difficult to engage with false analogies and straw man. It’s a reasonable thing that sensible minds can disagree on, but the ‘whataboutism’ doesn’t add anything. For my part I’m not saying it shouldn’t happen, but that it should be discouraged. The price of Niche Zeros is being squeezed due to supply and people, mostly by a few select few on eBay, seeking to take advantage. I’d simply say that the forum doesn’t need to take part in that, and should (as is very common in enthusiast communities) gently encourage trading that suits community dynamics and not market dynamics. You don’t even follow your own analogy. In ticketed markets, it’s very common for vendors to bar the resale of tickets and/or invalidate them if resold because ticket reselling (aka. touting) disadvantages everyone.

I'm delighted to hear the debate is over! Close one.

As above.

I'm a little burned myself as had a milestone in mind in the near future when I wanted to order one. I like the way Decent does business, so it's with regret I say that I don't find not being able to manage a 3x order increase in 12 months particularly encouraging or that it's fair to say it's particularly unexpected, given the rise in enthusiast home brewing over the last year and the increased attention Decent have recieved as a unique value proposition (mainly driven by the home market which is now locked out!). I am suprised the company hasn't been able to build in more resiliance, perhaps by capping orders earlier, because those numbers aren't taking the company to the moon, they're just good growth. Whether we can buy one now is neither here nor there, and I'm sure though drastic this is a case of limiting damage in the best way John sees fit. But I would say that when and if the DE1+ comes back, you'll have some rebuilding of confidence to do. If I'm spending £3,200 on the base model of a machine from a relatively unknown company, I want that company to assure me they'll be around in 5 years time. This is a big step back on that front.

Well precisely, and it displaces the burdon to declare it at the "correct" ($500....) value from Decent onto us too. 'Yes officer it's a high end espresso machine I crossed the seas to purchase...it is worth....£350 only sirs.'

Will they ship a 220V machine to a US address though I wonder. Also I see why that's appealing, but by the time we're considering trafficking a machine into the UK ourselves because of the price disparity then it's fair to say something's inequitable...

I see, that makes some sense and I think I have seen those discussed. That should be more transparent though, if it is the case. Also, I'm not sure I should be subsidising the ordinary costs of running a globally targetted business more so than someone in the USA. If the local service centre is involved in machine repair etc, then it is part of the overall health and development of the business, it's not a niche service to fewer customers in a lesser market. Some markup maybe fine, but £600+ per machine. That's a significant percentage of the overall cost. Thanks. Yes it all somewhat makes sense and best not to silo thinking into the different between the two currency costs but "prices referenced to US dollar prices at the time the new model is introduced" doesn't seem at all reasonable, just seems an opportunity to markup the exchange. As I say, more transparency would explain all of this I suspect. A price difference is to be expected, a modest premium for UK buyers can surely be justified, but we're talking about (pre-local tax, pre-shipping) nearly a 30% higher price.

I am a little confused by this, it hadn't quite registered with me until now, but as someone constantly window shopping for a DE1+ it is relevant. The machine cost for a 220V v.14 DE1+ is $2,999. Landed costs to the US bring that somewhere closer to $3,200. If I change that to delivery to the United Kingdom, though we of course incur some taxes on the $500 declared value...the pre-tax cost of the machine changes to £2,829. I understand differences in shipping cost and differences on taxes paid in advance during checkout. I do not understand why the pre-tax machine cost for shipping to the US and shipping to the UK is different. At today's exchange rates, $2,900 is closer to £2,200. Perhaps a recent UK buyer has got to the bottom of this?

I had 500g of this from Colonna a little while back, it's absolutely delicious. Brewed the first half as V60 the the rest with Stagg X. Definitely a spicy kick in the finish. I think the Colonna tasting notes were quince, fig and [a spice i can't remember].

Welcome to the V-club. Admit it, it's bigger than you thought!

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