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ironcross13
27-03-14, 02:24
Hi ive been looking at getting a coffee machine i did realise how hard it was to pick one and how much info there is about them
i did think it was easy and strait forward
i was thinking a bean to cup machine but unsure now weather to just get a espresso maker,
how much harder are they to use?
Allso want the best machine for under 500 low as possible really it will just be for home use a few cups a day
im really confused thats how ive ended up on this forum

hope you guys can help

Thecatlinux
27-03-14, 08:59
Hello and welcome , have a look around the forum there is a lot to read and lot of help from other members , as for an espresso machine setup with a 500 budget a gaggia classic and a decent grinder seem to be unanimous decision from other members. And bought wisely they both have a good secondhand resale should you want to upgrade at a later date.

The Systemic Kid
27-03-14, 09:08
Welcome to the forum. Can be confusing when you first start out. Forum is a great place to get your questions answered. First off, budget of 500 is more than enough to get you started. You will need a grinder as well as a machine. If you want to buy new - have a look at the Gaggia Classic and Eureka Mignon grinder. You will also need some jewellers scales (cheap on ebay), a tamper (have a look at Made by Knock), and a milk frothing jug (Cream Supplies or Amazon). If you are prepared to consider used - for sales section of this forum is a great place to pick up well looked after kit. You will save money and if you decide at some point to upgrade, won't lose much if any money.

jeebsy
27-03-14, 09:26
WHat do you drink? Espresso? Milky stuff?

EarwaxUK
27-03-14, 10:02
Without knowing what you drink, it's impossible to say.

It also depends on whether you want to put in the time and effort to learn about coffee or whether you want a simple machine which makes your drinks for you without much user input.

ironcross13
27-03-14, 12:34
Thanks for the replies
i want to try all different types of coffee espresso, latte
how hard is it to learn? I would like to learn
the gaggie classic looks good and is cheap aswell... so is it hard to make coffee manually
that grinder is 320 didt think grinder would be more expensive than the maker

Dr Steve
27-03-14, 12:56
Hi Iron,
Remember the computer maxim "rubbish in->rubbish out"? Well this applies to coffee even more than computers. A great machine with badly ground coffee will produce worse coffee than a cheap machine fed with properly ground beans. The Mignon is actually a pretty cheap grinder believe it or not. Some of the hardened coffee geeks (sorry guys) on the forum have grinders well into 4 figures. If you want a cheaper grinder the Iberital MC2 is worth a look as an alternative.

EarwaxUK
27-03-14, 01:36
Completely agree with Dr Steve - buy the best grinder you can afford. Lots of people start off with a good hand grinder like the Hario Slim (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hario-Coffee-Mill-Ceramic-Slim/dp/B001804CLY) which works a treat. The MC2 is the cheapest electric grinder you'll get that's capable of grinding for espresso.

Beans are critical as well - high quality freshly roasted and rested is key. The machine is the least important bit of the whole operation.

As for how hard it is to learn, it's really a question of keep trying. I had some spectacular failures at the beginning but I can make some pretty good coffee these days (if I do say so myself). There's loads of good advice on these forums and a wealth of knowledge and I'd encourage you to go for it. A bean to cup machine might provide some mediocre (at best) coffee for a while but you'll probably want more control pretty quickly.

The Systemic Kid
27-03-14, 01:54
Thanks for the replies
i want to try all different types of coffee espresso, latte
how hard is it to learn? I would like to learn
the gaggie classic looks good and is cheap aswell... so is it hard to make coffee manually
that grinder is 320 didt think grinder would be more expensive than the maker

Eureka Mignon is being offered by a forum sponsor - Coffeebean for 265.00 delivered. A good grinder at a great price.

ironcross13
27-03-14, 03:24
Thanks again for the help:D
So the hario slim is cheap will that work well or do i need a better grinder?
Going to go with the gaiggie classic like the look of it... Just need a grinder
allso whats the best rated beans out there... Can u buy pre ground coffee or is that a bad idear?
cant find coffee bean on google any1 got any links
i dont feel as confused now thanks

coffeebean
27-03-14, 04:00
Here you go! http://www.thecoffeebean-vanandroaster.co.uk/Domestic-Grinders.html

The Systemic Kid
27-03-14, 04:10
Wouldn't want to manually grind for espresso on regular basis. Also, quality of grind isn't going to be on a par with a dedicated espresso grinder. Grab a Mignon - you won't regret it. Steer well clear of pre-ground. Difference between freshly roasted ground beans and packet pre-ground is like night and day. Check out the roaster who advertise on this forum - http://coffeeforums.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?11-Beans

Recommend you try different roasters - they are geared to mail order so no worries there.

Mrboots2u
27-03-14, 04:17
Please don't use pre ground , especially from a supermarket
You will get frustrated and downhearted and struggle to make the drinks you aspire too.

EarwaxUK
27-03-14, 06:16
Agree with the others - If you've got the budget, get a Mignon. The cheaper MC2 is a decent place to start with electric grinders and I wouldn't be without mine.

Same with pre-ground. No good espresso ever came from pre-ground coffee.

For beans, I regularly buy from Hasbean (http://www.hasbean.co.uk/), Union Roasters (http://www.unionroasted.com/), Rave Coffee (http://ravecoffee.co.uk/) and Londinium Espresso (http://londiniumespresso.com/) all of which roast fresh and give you the date on which the beans were roasted. Never trust a for which you don't know the roasting date.

The forum also has an excellent list of links for UK based roasters here (http://coffeeforums.co.uk/showthread.php?1656-UK-Based-Roasters)

ironcross13
28-03-14, 12:37
Is that grinder really worth it? Is there any cheaper ones that are as good?
what els will i need to make coffee
i wont be useing pre ground coffee then
im still drinking instant coffee atm not very nice

kikapu
28-03-14, 12:45
Is that grinder really worth it? Is there any cheaper ones that are as good?
what els will i need to make coffee
i wont be useing pre ground coffee then
im still drinking instant coffee atm not very nice

Yes that grinder (Mignon) is worth it! Second hand can get them a bit cheaper about 200. There arent any cheaper ones that are as good but there are cheaper ones is the MC2 but is really not that great ugly and noisey about 100 secondhand.

The grinder is more important than the espresso machine for getting great tasting coffee.

Milk jug, tamper, cleaning bits, cups, small scales and you are about there

kikapu
28-03-14, 12:48
i was thinking a bean to cup machine but unsure now weather to just get a espresso maker,
how much harder are they to use?


Just seen this in your original post. They are certainly harder to use and will take practice to get really good coffee just something to be aware of.

EarwaxUK
28-03-14, 01:08
What kikapu said...

Yes, grinders are the most important bit. Expect to spend more on a grinder than a machine (at this end of the market).

ironcross13
28-03-14, 04:48
Okay thanks guys been a great help well im gunna go for the gaggia classic with migon
whant great taseing coffee
didt relise it was so much involed in coffee makeing
but i will be able to learn how to use it like can it be that hard?

kikapu
28-03-14, 04:55
Okay thanks guys been a great help well im gunna go for the gaggia classic with migon
whant great taseing coffee
didt relise it was so much involed in coffee makeing
but i will be able to learn how to use it like can it be that hard?

That is a great combination. Its not hard takes some practice is all but with that equipment you can make much better coffee than all the high street coffee chains
The sub forum for the gaggia has great guide about all you need to know for the classic

ironcross13
28-03-14, 05:33
Thats good then
really looking forward to getting it now
what are the top5 rated beans i want the best?
what cleaning bits do i need?
what a tamper should i get?
Going to order 2 jugs a 600ml and 330ml

jeebsy
28-03-14, 07:33
Okay thanks guys been a great help well im gunna go for the gaggia classic with migon
whant great taseing coffee
didt relise it was so much involed in coffee makeing
but i will be able to learn how to use it like can it be that hard?

Excellent combo, that's what I started with and you can get some fantastic espresso out it :good:

coffeebean
28-03-14, 07:51
Good choice! You'll get some great coffee from those! Don't forget I can do you a Mignon for 265 delivered (forum price)
Andy

Drc
28-03-14, 08:19
Okay thanks guys been a great help well im gunna go for the gaggia classic with migon
whant great taseing coffee
didt relise it was so much involed in coffee makeing
but i will be able to learn how to use it like can it be that hard?


My my story might be useful to you, pre January I drank loads of instant and used a French press, had barely had > 5 espressos in my life.

since the I have bought a classic and using this forum started to work out how to make pretty decent coffee and milky drinks. Even crippled with a terrible blade grinder I've managed to have 3 months to learn and make some quite decent espressos and consistently nice milky drinks that are almost always better thanhighstreet drinks.

now my hausgrind has arrived I've made the first couple of good espressos with single origin beans.

so yes, there's lots to learn and you will benefit from some time spent reading up (here) but it's very possible and by no means impossible to be making great drinks in a matter of weeks.

plus without exception the folks here are great and it's the least keyboard warrior inhabited forum I've ever had the pleasure to encounter!

kikapu
28-03-14, 10:38
For the beans just go to Ravecoffee.co.UK read the bean descriptions and buy what you like the sound of you and I would buy a couple of 1kg bags as get free postage.

For the tamper you can just get a Motta one to start but Torrs are really lovely coffeechap on here sells them starting around 40.

You will need a group head brush and some cafiza oh and maybe a brush to clean the grinder. Look at coffeehit.co.UK should have these bits

ironcross13
29-03-14, 03:00
Good choice! You'll get some great coffee from those! Don't forget I can do you a Mignon for 265 delivered (forum price)
Andy

hi do you have a link ? Thanks


My my story might be useful to you, pre January I drank loads of instant and used a French press, had barely had > 5 espressos in my life.

since the I have bought a classic and using this forum started to work out how to make pretty decent coffee and milky drinks. Even crippled with a terrible blade grinder I've managed to have 3 months to learn and make some quite decent espressos and consistently nice milky drinks that are almost always better thanhighstreet drinks.

now my hausgrind has arrived I've made the first couple of good espressos with single origin beans.

so yes, there's lots to learn and you will benefit from some time spent reading up (here) but it's very possible and by no means impossible to be making great drinks in a matter of weeks.

plus without exception the folks here are great and it's the least keyboard warrior inhabited forum I've ever had the pleasure to encounter!

yeh this site has been a really good help didn't no were to start before i come on here im learning step by step
im hopeing to make some nice coffee going to order everything tonight


For the beans just go to Ravecoffee.co.UK read the bean descriptions and buy what you like the sound of you and I would buy a couple of 1kg bags as get free postage.

For the tamper you can just get a Motta one to start but Torrs are really lovely coffeechap on here sells them starting around 40.

You will need a group head brush and some cafiza oh and maybe a brush to clean the grinder. Look at coffeehit.co.UK should have these bits

okay
Look on that site lots of choice dont no where to start lol
can you bye coffee beans from the supermarket to?

Found this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motta-Tamper-Curved-Wooden-Handle/dp/B003ICIP8Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396101439&sr=8-1&keywords=Motta+Tamper
Is that the right one

ironcross13
30-03-14, 01:59
Is it worth paying so much for a grinder my friends and family think im mad to pay so much lol

The Systemic Kid
30-03-14, 02:05
Short answer - yes. Grinder is as if not more important than the espresso machine. Better the grinder, the better the grind consistency which means the espresso will be better extracted - more flavour and less bitterness. So tell this to your friends and family:)

ironcross13
30-03-14, 02:18
Okay just makeing sure... Also is the best place to get the gaggia classic from amazon its 200

kikapu
30-03-14, 02:33
Okay just makeing sure... Also is the best place to get the gaggia classic from amazon its 200

On amazon go to this link for other sellers http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/ol/B0000C72XS/ref=mw_dp_olp?qid=1396186294&sr=8-1

Find amazon warehouse selling it for 163 these are returns but still have a years warranty

The Systemic Kid
30-03-14, 03:03
Have you considered a used Gaggia Classic? They come up regularly on the forum. Forum member bagged a 10month old one this week for 125.00. Advantage of buying second hand is - if and when you decide to upgrade, you will recoup most of your initial outlay.

ironcross13
31-03-14, 01:43
Think the new one would be better cant see my self up gradeing... Is it worth upgradeing

kikapu
31-03-14, 06:51
Think the new one would be better cant see my self up gradeing... Is it worth upgradeing

It depends the gaggia can make great coffee but if you wanted to get a noticeable improvement you probably have to spend around 600 as a minimum or 450 maybe secondhand.

Lots of people on here started with the classic but now have machines circa 1000 and that's not just because they like spending money ;) there is an improvement but not such a big one the price difference suggests

Atilla
31-03-14, 12:38
I've not long seen a couple of Atomics on Ebay going for about 300. Plenty left over for a decent grinder and some nice beans to start you off.

ironcross13
02-04-14, 01:38
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lavazza-Qualita-Rossa-Coffee-Beans/dp/B002PM23YC/ref=sr_1_8?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1396399026&sr=1-8&keywords=Coffee+beans

Are theses beans any good

ironcross13
02-04-14, 01:39
Any recommendations

kikapu
02-04-14, 04:55
For the beans just go to Ravecoffee.co.UK read the bean descriptions and buy what you like the sound of you and I would buy a couple of 1kg bags as get free postage.


Already advised you what to do about beans as a starter.

Or go yo beans sub forum and look at roasters there.

Mrboots2u
02-04-14, 09:35
I would try a roaster that can roast fresh. as opposed to buying air packed bulk beans from Amazon Roasted ages ago from lavazza. The difference in taste will make up for the few extra pennies you spend. Italian job from Rave, throwback espresso from small batch, are two tasty classic darker espresso blends that will blow labazza out the cup taste wise and be fresh when you get them.
Also coffee compass do some darker roasts you may enjoy ...

kikapu
02-04-14, 09:42
I would try a roaster than can roast fresh. as opposed to buying air packed bulk beans from Amazon to save Pennie s! Roasted ages ago from labazza. The difference in taste will make up for the few extra pennies you spend. Italian job from Rave, throwback espresso from small batch, are two tasty classic darker espresso blends that will blow labazza out the cup taste wise and be fresh when you get them.

Actually Italian job from rave is 9.50 per kg which is 3.50 cheaper per kg than the lavazza!! Absolute bargain

ironcross13
02-04-14, 11:59
Okay thanks its just they had loads of reviews on amazon and was the most popular there so thort id check
thanks for the help

gaggai classic is now 228 its gone up in price is there any hight street stores i can get it from? Or is it worth getting adifferent machine?

Mrboots2u
02-04-14, 12:08
If you are looking at getting Rave order direct as opposed to from Amazon
Direct will be roasted fresh and sent to you .
Few there for you to try ..
There are regular Classics come up for sale on here , might be worth waiting for one of them

kikapu
02-04-14, 12:09
Okay thanks its just they had loads of reviews on amazon and was the most popular there so thort id check
thanks for the help

gaggai classic is now 228 its gone up in price is there any hight street stores i can get it from? Or is it worth getting adifferent machine?

Yeah the thing is the positive reviews are because people havent really tried anything better!!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B0000C72XS/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all Is you buy from amazonwhare house on this link at the moment they have one for 182.

I wouldnt buy anything else the often talked about as next best entry level machine is Rancilio Silvia which is around 400 so still a lot more.

kikapu
02-04-14, 12:12
actually if you look in the for sale section forum about a week ago member gaggiamanualservice.com posted he had two for sale 120 plus postage if he has any left pm him as he suggests and could get a real bargain as it also has upgrade steam wand (steams milk better and faster!)

ironcross13
03-04-14, 12:48
Thanks going to get the seconds one from amozon warehouse
i just ordered some beans i posted a thread in the bean section
got quite a lot of different kinds
thanks every 1 for all the help my grinder is on the way and will order the gaggia tomoro

ironcross13
03-04-14, 12:52
Ordered some jugs and a motta tamper 2 le crestent espresso cups to mugs to match
what els will i need? Like cleaning stuff

also i dont no how to make coffee cant find any guides on here can some1 point me in the right direction?

Thecatlinux
03-04-14, 07:03
If anyone else hasn't suggested it buy some scales as this will make setting your grinder up a lot easier.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=181168248008&globalID=EBAY-GB

Mrboots2u
03-04-14, 07:42
If you've bought a gaggia have a look at this thread
at the end there are some links for helping you pull a short
http://coffeeforums.co.uk/showthread.php?3858-So-you%92ve-just-bought-your-Gaggia-Classic

kikapu
03-04-14, 09:42
you will need a standard basket (lots of holes) as the gaggia will probably only come with a pressurised one (basically a basket with one hole)

You ordered the grinder yet?

ironcross13
03-04-14, 12:03
Yeh got scales
yeh grinder been ordered as well as gaggia classic
where do i get a standard basket? Whats it used for

ironcross13
07-04-14, 01:12
Just read back thu this thread and thanks i was really clueless befor comeing on here
sorry for the stupid qeustions but i really didt no you needed stuff like fresh beans and a good grinder
got everything now just waiting on my gaggia classic

kikapu
07-04-14, 07:33
Brilliant by the time it arrives the beans will probably be ready/almost ready to use.

No problem we all started in a similar place as you. The reason I stayed with just brewed coffee so long was cause I found all the new terminology and things to learn daunting! !

Good luck once it all arrives and dont be afraid to ask some more questions

urbanbumpkin
07-04-14, 07:57
You'll need a standard basket, I think you can get them on amazon for 5 shipped. Or try coffee hit if your looking at getting some other things, like a tamper which is also a good buy.

urbanbumpkin
07-04-14, 08:23
Cream supplies also do a 58mm Motta tamper which is a good buy for a standard basket .

ironcross13
07-04-14, 10:58
Yeh thanks every one hopeing to make some great coffee
so you gota rest the beans for7 days befo use?
any links for this standard basket on amazon
is this it
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gaggia-Pressurised-Crema-Filter-Basket/dp/B007913ANW/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1396864595&sr=8-2-fkmr2&keywords=standard+basket+gaggia+classic

ironcross13
07-04-14, 11:00
I have this tamper http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002FBJASA/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Is it okay?

Charliej
07-04-14, 11:18
Yes thats the tamper, but why so hooked on Amazon, a firm called Cream Supplies can sell you exactly the same tamper for half the price along with a nice selection of milk jugs and knock boxes. That basket isn't the one you want this one is the non-pressurised version: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gaggia-Stainless-Pressurised-Espresso-Machines/dp/B004ZER1TA/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1396865861&sr=8-2-fkmr1&keywords=standard+basket+gaggia+classic

urbanbumpkin
07-04-14, 01:09
Yes thats the tamper, but why so hooked on Amazon, a firm called Cream Supplies can sell you exactly the same tamper for half the price along with a nice selection of milk jugs and knock boxes. That basket isn't the one you want this one is the non-pressurised version: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gaggia-Stainless-Pressurised-Espresso-Machines/dp/B004ZER1TA/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1396865861&sr=8-2-fkmr1&keywords=standard+basket+gaggia+classic

Thats the fella, its the non pressurised one that your after. They're about 5.

The Gaggia comes with the pressurised one as standard, they're no good.

ironcross13
07-04-14, 03:30
Thanks will order
think i am hooked on amazon just easyer
didt no any other sites to get stuff

nickmorrisrdg
12-04-14, 08:50
It looks like you've selected all the equipment. Now the fun begins.
To get started, there is a very good free download guide for how to start making your espressos and to get your heads around the variables which you'll want to control to get good/consistent coffee:
http://www.hasbean.co.uk/pages/free-espresso-training-book

Nic
24-04-14, 10:41
Bean to cup machine? Don't waste your money. You lose all control over the process...
You could spend 5000 on one and still get nothing better than a mediocre coffee.
You've been given good advice already...up to you!